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Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 03-26-2011
[quote name='jlg1875' timestamp='1301110211' post='431035']
I didn't look back to see if there were any other photos of this specific unit, can anyone tell me where it's from? I've never seen a black over red Crown, would love to see what the whole rig looks like!
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It began life with Marysville, WA, and was delivered red. Upon retirement from that fire department it was purchased by the Getchell, WA FD, and repainted to the black over red scheme you see here.
Crown Firecoaches - hoss - 03-27-2011
I am a strong believer that Fire Apparatus SHOULD be[color="#FF0000"] red[/color]; however I must say this one is quite sharp as is!
[quote name='Crown' timestamp='1265154126' post='361807']
I thought I should share a bit more information on this rig.
She was built for the Carmichael Fire Department in 1965 which is a suburb or Sacramento. She was delivered painted a deep red color similar to what San Francisco used and was repainted yellow after just a few years. She was later sold to the El Dorado County Fire Department and remained in service in the same general area in the Sierra foothils above Sactamento.
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She tended to get relettered when moved from dept. to dept. under El Dorado County so there are pics floating around with different lettering on this same rig. She was repowered from her original Hall-Scott 1091 gas motor to a Cummins NTC-330 in the late 90s and was then sold by El Dorado County to Ozawkie, KS. When Ozawkie received this rig, they repainted the yellow which had become tired when Carmichael painted it so many years ago and added updated lighting to the existing lighting, strobes and so forth. For the most part, Ozawkie kept the rig original.
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I am happy with this rig the way I received it and have no intention of backdating or otherwise restoring it. The yellow paint is in beautiful shape and I happen to like it and the door logo is very kewl. No porta-tank on the side when I took the photo as I was using it for its intended purpose at the time. For more pics, take a look at [url="http://www.crownisking.org/eventsfiex08b.html"]http://www.crowniski...ntsfiex08b.html[/url]
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Crown Firecoaches - hoss - 03-27-2011
I've only shot two Crowns, one was already posted twice and was at the Circleville Show in 2009. The other was back in 2003 at the CT Firefighter's Convention Parade held in Weathersfield, CT. This rig fairly obviously didn't start out life on the east coast and I haven't seen it since so hopefully it has gone back out west away from the salt ect that would destroy it out here.
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Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 03-27-2011
[quote name='hoss' timestamp='1301233825' post='431298']
I've only shot two Crowns, one was already posted twice and was at the Circleville Show in 2009. The other was back in 2003 at the CT Firefighter's Convention Parade held in Weathersfield, CT. This rig fairly obviously didn't start out life on the east coast and I haven't seen it since so hopefully it has gone back out west away from the salt ect that would destroy it out here.
[url="http://ruralamericanimages.smugmug.com/Fire-Service-Photography-1/Archives-Parades/2003-Connecticut-Firefighters/15531979_7xMtH#1181525311_CMZGJ-A-LB"]
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HOSS, that looks to be F1068, which indeed did start life in Monterey, CA and is now collector owned.
Crown Firecoaches - Athomas5784 - 04-25-2011
I recently was at Ozawkie, KS and they informed me that they used to have a yellow Crown Tanker that was one of three that we still active as of early 2000's. They said that it is now in a museum somewhere. Anyone have any info at all on this?
Crown Firecoaches - Athomas5784 - 04-25-2011
[quote name='Crown' timestamp='1265154126' post='361807']
I thought I should share a bit more information on this rig.
She was built for the Carmichael Fire Department in 1965 which is a suburb or Sacramento. She was delivered painted a deep red color similar to what San Francisco used and was repainted yellow after just a few years. She was later sold to the El Dorado County Fire Department and remained in service in the same general area in the Sierra foothils above Sactamento.
[ATTACHMENT NOT FOUND]
She tended to get relettered when moved from dept. to dept. under El Dorado County so there are pics floating around with different lettering on this same rig. She was repowered from her original Hall-Scott 1091 gas motor to a Cummins NTC-330 in the late 90s and was then sold by El Dorado County to Ozawkie, KS. When Ozawkie received this rig, they repainted the yellow which had become tired when Carmichael painted it so many years ago and added updated lighting to the existing lighting, strobes and so forth. For the most part, Ozawkie kept the rig original.
[ATTACHMENT NOT FOUND]
I am happy with this rig the way I received it and have no intention of backdating or otherwise restoring it. The yellow paint is in beautiful shape and I happen to like it and the door logo is very kewl. No porta-tank on the side when I took the photo as I was using it for its intended purpose at the time. For more pics, take a look at http://www.crownisking.org/eventsfiex08b.html
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Nevermind! Found it!
Crown Firecoaches - Guest - 04-25-2011
[quote name='hoss' timestamp='1301233825' post='431298']
I've only shot two Crowns, one was already posted twice and was at the Circleville Show in 2009. The other was back in 2003 at the CT Firefighter's Convention Parade held in Weathersfield, CT. This rig fairly obviously didn't start out life on the east coast and I haven't seen it since so hopefully it has gone back out west away from the salt ect that would destroy it out here.
[url="http://ruralamericanimages.smugmug.com/Fire-Service-Photography-1/Archives-Parades/2003-Connecticut-Firefighters/15531979_7xMtH#1181525311_CMZGJ-A-LB"]
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Was the door painted or was it a magnetic cover for all but the city seal???
Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 06-22-2011
Former E-269, F1724, now part of the LA County Fire Museum fleet.
Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 06-22-2011
Not sure if I posted this before...
ex-Colton, CA pumper
Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 06-22-2011
ex-LAFD P-27
Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 06-22-2011
ex-Berkeley, CA TDA
Not sure if I posted before..
Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 06-22-2011
ex-Menlo Park pumper
Privately owned
Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 06-22-2011
Another pic of the ex-Avalon Crown
Photo Credit: eBay
Sold on eBay, August 2010
Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 06-22-2011
Oops, sorry all... it appears I reposted a couple photos.
Crown Firecoaches - Guest - 06-22-2011
Can someone shed light on why LAFD used Amber on their rigs. I would think they were front line pieces and needing to meet California Law to go CODE 3 would need red lights...
Crown Firecoaches - Guest - 06-23-2011
[quote name='Fireman5230' timestamp='1308796507' post='445277']
Can someone shed light on why LAFD used Amber on their rigs. I would think they were front line pieces and needing to meet California Law to go CODE 3 would need red lights...
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I remember reading somewhere that under California law, emergency vehicles were required to display one solid red light forward and one flashing amber to the rear.
Crown Firecoaches - marco17 - 07-04-2011
F1627 Crown Pumper
July 4th Parade, Sparta, NJ
Privately Owned
Crown Firecoaches - Aaronw - 07-05-2011
[quote name='Fireman5230' timestamp='1308796507' post='445277']
Can someone shed light on why LAFD used Amber on their rigs. I would think they were front line pieces and needing to meet California Law to go CODE 3 would need red lights...
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There should not be any amber facing forward, California only allow red or red and white to the front (also blue for LE), amber is only allowed to the rear.
Technically non emergency vehicles like tow trucks are only supposed to run their amber lightbars when stopped, but nobody really seems to enforce that. I noticed the Avalon engine posted above has the light bar backwards with the amber cutout facing forward, but that is probably an error made by the private owner.
Crown Firecoaches - chcmedic93 - 07-05-2011
[quote name='Aaronw' timestamp='1309838767' post='446900']
There should not be any amber facing forward, California only allow red or red and white to the front (also blue for LE), amber is only allowed to the rear.
Technically non emergency vehicles like tow trucks are only supposed to run their amber lightbars when stopped, but nobody really seems to enforce that. I noticed the Avalon engine posted above has the light bar backwards with the amber cutout facing forward, but that is probably an error made by the private owner.
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Not according to the California Vehicle Code....
C Section 25259 Additional Warning Lights on Authorized Emergency Vehicles
Additional Warning Lights on Authorized Emergency Vehicles
25259. (a) Any authorized emergency vehicle may display flashing amber warning lights to the front, sides, or rear.
B A vehicle operated by a police or traffic officer while in the actual performance of his or her duties may display steady burning or flashing white lights to either side mounted above the roofline of the vehicle.
C Any authorized emergency vehicle may display not more than two flashing white warning lights to the front mounted above the roofline of the vehicle and not more than two flashing white warning lights to the front mounted below the roofline of the vehicle. These lamps may be in addition to the flashing headlamps permitted under Section 25252.5.
Amended Ch. 13, Stats. 1991. Effective February 13, 1991.
Amended Sec. 25, Ch. 945, Stats. 1997. Effective January 1, 1998.
Crown Firecoaches - jgroutley - 07-06-2011
The regulations on warning lights (and a few other things) have changed over the years. The LAFD rigs with amber beacons were from the early 1970's.