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F.D.N.Y. - maxim - 07-12-2010
Paul
Thanks Every other time I have been there I came off the expressway. This time I took city streets from La Guardia and mis judged the location and I was a few blockes to far to the east
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-12-2010
[quote name='Crossbronxxpress' date='11 July 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1278875451' post='392179']
Ladder 27-2's second rig.
1970 Seagrave 100' RM
Unknown Photographer
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I've always been curious, what was the procedure for organizing a "second section" of an existing company vs. organizing a "new" company. Did both sections share officers and crew or were there overtime/detail crews used? Thanks in advance.
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-12-2010
[quote name='tntway' date='11 July 2010 - 07:04 PM' timestamp='1278888287' post='392223']
Marc....... http://www.firenews.org/ct/NorwichCTRsvLad.JPG
from firenews....... 1970 Seagrave 100' RMA (rsv) (ex FDNY)(rsv)
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This Seagrave saw duty for the Taftville Fire Department in Norwich then the Norwich (City Consolidated District) Fire Department purcahsed it from Taftville a few years back. I got to work this truck during my aerial operations class a couple years back. Man what a classic rig!
Norwich is set to retire the truck or has already. They have a new Pierce Arrow XT tower ladder comming in and its going to replace their current LTI 85-ft rearmount tower which will become the department spare.
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-12-2010
The second section was an independent unit from the original section. The units changed places from front to back at 0900 daily. The front section was 1st due and the back section 2nd due on old first due boxes. The other company in the area that used to be second due went off the card and wouldn't respond. This lowered the amount of runs and work for the surrounding units. Likewise, they responded 2nd and 3rd due on old second due responses. The front unit handled all 3rd due, multple alarms, and relocations. The exception was Engine 233. Their home box could come in and only one section would respond. Their rear section would be used for interchange with Brownsville units.
F.D.N.Y. - Marc - 07-12-2010
[quote name='tntway' date='11 July 2010 - 07:04 PM' timestamp='1278888287' post='392223']
Marc....... http://www.firenews.org/ct/NorwichCTRsvLad.JPG
from firenews....... 1970 Seagrave 100' RMA (rsv) (ex FDNY)(rsv)
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That's the rig! Still looks great after all these years!!!
F.D.N.Y. - Marc - 07-12-2010
[quote name='HIT6' date='12 July 2010 - 07:25 AM' timestamp='1278932731' post='392321']
I've always been curious, what was the procedure for organizing a "second section" of an existing company vs. organizing a "new" company. Did both sections share officers and crew or were there overtime/detail crews used? Thanks in advance.
[/quote]
Joe,
Each company was separate and had their own officers and members. A guy I work with, his father came on the job in '73 and was appointed to Engine 50-2. When they disbanded 50-2 in 1974, his father transferred to Engine 46, then later Ladder 27. He still comes around to house functions along with his son who I work with. Hearing the war stories from him is like learning the history of the job!
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-12-2010
Thanks Lucky and CrossBronx.
F.D.N.Y. - anesti - 07-12-2010
[quote name='Crossbronxxpress' date='12 July 2010 - 12:14 PM' timestamp='1278950079' post='392346']
That's the rig! Still looks great after all these years!!!
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from a friend in norwich said the rig isnt even used anymore, it was used as a spare and one day there were bringing the ladder up to test it and when they went to bring it down it just got stuck. The chief told them not to use it again.
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-12-2010
[quote name='Crossbronxxpress' date='12 July 2010 - 12:18 PM' timestamp='1278950301' post='392347']
Joe,
Each company was separate and had their own officers and members. A guy I work with, his father came on the job in '73 and was appointed to Engine 50-2. When they disbanded 50-2 in 1974, his father transferred to Engine 46, then later Ladder 27. He still comes around to house functions along with his son who I work with. Hearing the war stories from him is like learning the history of the job!
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The stories from any of the Brothers that worked the War Years are awesome... Some fall into "you can't make this $H!t up". Someone I know was on Squad 3... His stories are great... Just need to listen to them in the Kitchen, you know those are the ones that are True! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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F.D.N.Y. - Truckman - 07-12-2010
Marc, These old babies sure look good. Thanks for posting them.
F.D.N.Y. - Marc - 07-12-2010
Thanks guys, glad everyone's enjoying the pics!
F.D.N.Y. - Ladder 68 - 07-12-2010
I assume there were particular areas that had more 2nd sections than others? Was it call volume alone that indicated if a section was created or strictly working fires? I only ask because there can be a huge difference between the two.
And you mentioned Brownsville, Brooklyn. I presume L103 and L120 being busy helped create L175 and L176?
Thanks in advance.
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-13-2010
Don't forget the TACTICAL CONTROL UNITS. These units was well as the SQUADS from the 1950's-1975 were the backbone of the FDNY. Most when closed were used to form new Engine or Ladders in the area.
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-13-2010
[quote name='Fireman5230' date='13 July 2010 - 10:34 AM' timestamp='1279030457' post='392493']
Don't forget the TACTICAL CONTROL UNITS. These units was well as the SQUADS from the 1950's-1975 were the backbone of the FDNY. Most when closed were used to form new Engine or Ladders in the area.
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So was it mostly based on politics as to if a "new company" was opened, a "second section" added, TCU's or Squads placed in service? What was the deciding factor as to which of the above options was best? Thanks guys, I find the FDNY "War Years" facinating. The book about the Squad Companies is great reading and viewing.
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-13-2010
Ladder 175 and Engine 332 were formed when E225 and L107 were moved to a new firehouse on the Brooklyn Queens border. The city must have realized that the gap that was formed by the move was too great and decided to form the new units in the old firehouses. The decision as to where to place units had something to do with available space. Some of the older quarters could not fit two pieces of apparatus and by the early seventies there was not many more firehouses in the busier areas that could accomodate additional units. Ladder 176 probably originated as Tactical Ladder 732 in E 277's quarters. They finished their tour at about 0030 hours daily and the Bushwick area normally started to burn after 1 or 2 AM so they were moved to the tin house in Brownsville with E 232. L 732 was disbanded and along with members of the disbanded E 233-2, Ladder 176 was formed in 1972. Note that Ladder 103 also had a second section at this time. I remember them trying to back what was to become the apparatus of L 731 into E 217's quarters, but it wouldn't fit. They wound up with E209 and L 102 on Bedford Avenue.
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-13-2010
book about squads?? the rescues/squads/TCU's/2nd sections always facinated me...
F.D.N.Y. - Marc - 07-13-2010
[quote name='lfdtruckie343' date='13 July 2010 - 08:50 PM' timestamp='1279067441' post='392532']
book about squads?? the rescues/squads/TCU's/2nd sections always facinated me...
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Fire Apparatus Journal put out a book on the FDNY Squads, and also one on the Rescues............And another book entitled "Services Not Required", about disbanded units in the FDNY.....Good luck finding it though...........
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F.D.N.Y. - Ladder 68 - 07-13-2010
I know Brownsville was busy, but did E231 or L120 ever have a 2nd section or TCU out of Watkins St.? And were there ever 2nd sections for BC's?
Thanks in advance.
F.D.N.Y. - chucksteak - 07-14-2010
I can find no record of E-231 or L-120 having had a second sections. Battalions that had second sections during the war years were Battalion 12 in Manhattan, Battalions 3, 14, and 18 in the Bronx and Battalions 37, 39 and 44 in Brooklyn. And like second sections of Engines and Ladders, they were used to form new units when the workload decreased.
F.D.N.Y. - Guest - 07-15-2010
thanks cross!