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Prince William County VA - Roto-Ray - 11-18-2012
[quote name='drfeelgood' timestamp='1353247386' post='503296']
Taylor why didn't you post Dale City was going to buy a Sutphen when they brought by a demo 3 weeks ago?
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Jr,
I thought that my satire would be easily picked up on by the board members. Apparently not. No worries man, just having a little fun...
Prince William County VA - drfeelgood - 11-18-2012
No foul Taylor. Here is the deal... Dale City will be buying a KME, ALF,LTI, Sutphen 110' platform 1000 gal. quint TDA with quad tractor and trailer steer axles. Plus no cab doors and coat hooks instead of grab handles to prevent slowing "Operational Readiness"
The body will be a walk in with seating for 12 and a rescue crane as well. Tillerman will be the fully automated Abe Lincoln from the Hall of Presidents at Disneyland.
It should be delivered by April 1 2013. I will have pics for you soon
Prince William County VA - ShoreFire - 11-18-2012
I'm all about the Abe Lincoln we'd discussed, but I really wish you'd consider the roll up crew doors............
Prince William County VA - Fire28 - 11-18-2012
[quote name='drfeelgood' timestamp='1353255375' post='503304']
Don't forget Leesburg, Va. Beach, Charlottesville, Bedford, Roanoke, Baltimore, St. Marys, and Charles Counties.
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Don't forget Montgomery, Frederick, Howard, Anne Arundel (Technically Riviera Beach) Counties and the City of Alexandria!
Prince William County VA - drfeelgood - 11-18-2012
[quote name='Tim' timestamp='1353283758' post='503365']
Don't forget Montgomery, Frederick, Howard, Anne Arundel (Technically Riviera Beach) Counties and the City of Alexandria!
[/quote] Thanks Tim I forgot those. Shore I was thinking bus doors but still too slow so the fastest and safest way is no doors on the cab.
Prince William County VA - ShoreFire - 11-18-2012
[quote name='drfeelgood' timestamp='1353290114' post='503375']
Thanks Tim I forgot those. Shore I was thinking bus doors but still too slow so the fastest and safest way is no doors on the cab.
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Good point!
Prince William County VA - Fire28 - 11-18-2012
Wait Wait Wait I know DCVFD is getting Twin 5000 Gal Tractor Trailer Foam Tankers with 8 man cabs!!
Prince William County VA - Guest - 11-19-2012
A cloudy day shot of Dale City's current Tower Ladder 513
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Prince William County VA - Guest - 11-19-2012
Prince William County DFR Truck 504 (no longer referred to as a Quint) - seen here running in place of Tower 501
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Prince William County VA - Guest - 11-19-2012
One of Manassas City's Engines (I believe Engine 501-C): E\-One Hurricane
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Prince William County VA - lawrencewhite111 - 11-19-2012
[quote name='Good2Go' timestamp='1353343587' post='503412']
One of Manassas City's Engines (I believe Engine 501-C): E\-One Hurricane
[/quote]Good stuff Nate.This is actually just Engine 501.501C is the Pierce/Hahn.I believe both will be replaced with whatever the City buys.
Prince William County VA - Roto-Ray - 11-19-2012
[quote name='treywhite' timestamp='1353356357' post='503418']
Good stuff Nate.This is actually just Engine 501.501C is the Pierce/Hahn.I believe both will be replaced with whatever the City buys.
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The City has contracted with Rosenbauer for both the pumper and the tower ladder.
Prince William County VA - lawrencewhite111 - 11-19-2012
[quote name='Roto-Ray' timestamp='1353359150' post='503419']
The City has contracted with Rosenbauer for both the pumper and the tower ladder.
[/quote]So will the cab be a Spartan?
Prince William County VA - Roto-Ray - 11-19-2012
No, they'll actually be on the new Rosenabuer Commander chassis. 100' RM tower ladder and 1500/750/30 pumper.
Prince William County VA - Guest - 11-23-2012
[quote name='yvfdfirefighter' timestamp='1353189410' post='503270']
Could this be true???
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The ONLY place in PWC that a tiller would make sense would be the City of Manassas - due to the tight and challenging (access-wise) streets of old town. FS18? I know a lot of humor and sarcasm has been added in response to this post (some of which is pretty damn funny) but really? Tower 13 is down the street and almost all of 18's first due is newer style single family dwellings - with the exception of a relatively small cluster of townhomes off of Hoadly Rd between Dale Boulevard and the Parkway. Plus, I would pay money to see a Tiller negotiate its way down Purcell Road headed to 7's Box
Stay safe.
Prince William County VA - drfeelgood - 11-23-2012
Prince William County VA - SrFireOfficial - 11-23-2012
I like the spirited discussion on this topic and yes, I know there are plenty of tillers in the metro-DC area and up and down the East Coast. My comment focusing on the West Coast tiller cities was based on seeing the tandem rear axle on the tractor in the DCVFD Paint version got me thinking of the tiller's in Portland (tiller rescue w/crane coming soon) and Seattle (and yes, I know there are some in Columbus, Ohio). Also note, that one long time user of TDA's, Boston, has gone to totally rear mount aerials and tower ladders. The FDNY operates fewer and fewer tiller ladder trucks with each successive new order for ladder company apparatus.
Today's rear mount aerials have the ability to be as maneuverable (improved cramp angles) as TDA's, especially when the TDA's become the size of pocket battleships. The RM's only require one driver which might make staffing easier and produce better response times rather than waiting to assemble a qualified tractor and tiller drivers during periods of all volunteer staffing.
Prince William County VA - drfeelgood - 11-23-2012
[quote name='SrFireOfficial' timestamp='1353700972' post='503785']
I like the spirited discussion on this topic and yes, I know there are plenty of tillers in the metro-DC area and up and down the East Coast. My comment focusing on the West Coast tiller cities was based on seeing the tandem rear axle on the tractor in the DCVFD Paint version got me thinking of the tiller's in Portland (tiller rescue w/crane coming soon) and Seattle (and yes, I know there are some in Columbus, Ohio). Also note, that one long time user of TDA's, Boston, has gone to totally rear mount aerials and tower ladders. The FDNY operates fewer and fewer tiller ladder trucks with each successive new order for ladder company apparatus.
Today's rear mount aerials have the ability to be as maneuverable (improved cramp angles) as TDA's, especially when the TDA's become the size of pocket battleships. The RM's only require one driver which might make staffing easier and produce better response times rather than waiting to assemble a qualified tractor and tiller drivers during periods of all volunteer staffing.
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Sr. someones drawing on MS paint doesn't mean that this is what anyone is getting but it has created quite the discussion. Now you talk about 2 departments that went or are going to TDAs for whatever reason but look how many have gone back or just getting in the truck business chose a TDA.
MoCo. DC, Alex, Leesburg, and many Md. companies come to mind. The question should be why instead of why not or just killing the idea with no real data to back up why not. Now just because "its cool" isn't a reason to buy one but there are a ton of good reasons some one could use to justify buying a TDA but two very big issues always remain... Staffing and bay space.
Now I can tell you that although cramp angles have improved on straight trucks but also improved on TDAs so even though they are longer the maneuverability on a TDA hands down is still better. Plus tip loads on TDAs have greatly improved without additional out riggers so they are just as capable as a straight truck.
Again everything has its place and many factors needed to be research to truly qualify or disqualify based on area, cost,maintenance costs, function, and capability on what a FD should buy vs. what they always did in the past.
Again I think someone over heard someone's discussion on a TDA and ran with it. As for me I act like I'm from Missouri and folks need to "show me" why with practical logic and data not drawings or dreams. Unless it's a Quint and a Quiller wins hands down <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Prince William County VA - lawrencewhite111 - 11-24-2012
Has Dale City placed their two new KME engines in service yet and what's the status on the reassigned rigs along with the 2 2000 Lance Pumpers?
Prince William County VA - drfeelgood - 11-24-2012
[quote name='treywhite' timestamp='1353801761' post='503892']
Has Dale City placed their two new KME engines in service yet and what's the status on the reassigned rigs along with the 2 2000 Lance Pumpers?
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I hope to have more for you on this soon