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Philadelphia, PA - Marc - 07-09-2008
[quote name='firebuff55407' post='228104' date='Jul 9 2008, 14:02 ']Philly had three 1972 ALF 100-foot RM ladders: shop numbers 72958, 72959 and 72960. They also had two 1971 ALF 100' RM ladder trucks: shop numbers 71266 & 71267
. Here is a shot of Ladder 17 operating one of the 1972 ALF's (#72958) in the early 80s.
- Photo by Steve Skaar[/quote]
I remember seeing a few of these rigs in action as a kid.
Philadelphia, PA - jpw25pfd - 07-09-2008
[quote name='BAIN172' post='227869' date='Jul 8 2008, 15:48 ']Philadelphia
1973 ? American lafrance
100'
Credit to photographer[/quote]
This is more than likely Ladder 18 using a spare (200 series) ladder. A rearmount ladder has never been assigned to them. During this timeframe they were assigned a 1968 Seagrave tiller, a 1971 Pierce snorkel, and a 1982 Mack aerialscope. Also, the early 1970's vintage ALF rearmount(s) were not unique. As Steve Skaar stated in his post, there were two 1971 models, originally assigned to Ladders 3 and 20, and three 1972 models, originally assigned to Ladders 17, 21, and 31.
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-09-2008
Have only seen shots of the older 700 series (40s and 50s) ALF midships and the 900 series tillers. Anyone have more shots of the ALF RMs?
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-09-2008
Ladder 17 again.
John Malecky photo
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-09-2008
Ladder 20.
Photographer unknown (possibly John Malecky)
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-09-2008
Ladder 3.
John Malecky collection
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-09-2008
I photographed this 1971 running as Reserve Ladder 171 in 1989.
Philadelphia, PA - Ladder 68 - 07-09-2008
I have been looking at these great photos and trying to figure out how to distinguish the difference between the '71 and '72 ALF rearmounts.
Is it safe to say that the '71 model rigs had vertical ground ladders on the officers side and the '72 model rigs had flat ground ladder storage?
Thanks.
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-09-2008
A 1950 ALF TDA, photographed in the late 1960s with a riot cab enclosure.
William Witt collection
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-09-2008
[quote name='Ladder 68' post='228211' date='Jul 9 2008, 21:37 ']I have been looking at these great photos and trying to figure out how to distinguish the difference between the '71 and '72 ALF rearmounts.
Is it safe to say that the '71 model rigs had vertical ground ladders on the officers side and the '72 model rigs had flat ground ladder storage?
Thanks.[/quote]
1971 rigs have PFD on the front... the 72 rig did not - was this just cause of a repainting or was this a true way to tell???
Philadelphia, PA - camdenfirespfn - 07-23-2008
I finally got a decent shot of the new Ladder 5 PFD here it is, be safe all !!
Philadelphia, PA - camdenfirespfn - 07-23-2008
Pipeline 49 2007 American LaFrance (not yet in service)
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-23-2008
can someone advise where in town the new apparatus is stationed? I plan on being in town again for the Philly fire expo in October and hopefully we can get some shots.. Thanks.
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-24-2008
[quote name='camdenfirespfn' post='232202' date='Jul 23 2008, 22:07 ']I finally got a decent shot of the new Ladder 5 PFD here it is, be safe all !![/quote]
Kinda looks warped in the middle under the turn table, like it wasn't jacked correctly and they bent the frame... or it could just be me.
Philadelphia, PA - Truckman - 07-24-2008
[quote name='Wagon Master' post='232226' date='Jul 24 2008, 07:24 ']Kinda looks warped in the middle under the turn table, like it wasn't jacked correctly and they bent the frame... or it could just be me.[/quote]
I am not sure what you are seeing. I have looked at this photo real close and can't see what you are indicating. It may appear that the turn table is raised a slight bit, but I think that it the way is was constructed.
Diffrences in the Truck's******
If you all could see the shop numbers on the trucks, the first 2 numbers indicated the year. Not sure when Philly started putting their name on the nose, but sure looks good!
As far as the ground ladders on the RM's, I think those on the Operators side are all flat loaded and those on the Officer's side at vertical.
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-24-2008
[quote name='Truckman' post='232260' date='Jul 24 2008, 09:56 ']I am not sure what you are seeing. I have looked at this photo real close and can't see what you are indicating. It may appear that the turn table is raised a slight bit, but I think that it the way is was constructed.
Diffrences in the Truck's******
If you all could see the shop numbers on the trucks, the first 2 numbers indicated the year. Not sure when Philly started putting their name on the nose, but sure looks good!
As far as the ground ladders on the RM's, I think those on the Operators side are all flat loaded and those on the Officer's side at vertical.[/quote]
IF you look at the first compartment after the cab, then the steps, then the second compartment above the wheel chocks, its seems like the are not even. IDK maybee my eys are playing games on me.
Philadelphia, PA - cml0774 - 07-24-2008
If you look at the photo of L17 rm the ladders are flat stacked on the officers side.
Philadelphia, PA - camdenfirespfn - 07-24-2008
Here is a rear shot of Ladder 5
Philadelphia, PA - Truckman - 07-24-2008
[quote name='cml0774' post='232334' date='Jul 24 2008, 15:13 ']If you look at the photo of L17 rm the ladders are flat stacked on the officers side.[/quote]
I looked at post 520 and yep you are correct. I stand corrected. That is probably due to the fact that the specifications were either updated or changed for various reasons each year. A good Truck member could handle the ladder load on any truck that they rode. It’s called adaptation.
Wagon Master - I see that, It may have been twisted or it may just look that way from the angle.
Philadelphia, PA - Guest - 07-24-2008
Here is my final personal photo reference for the great Philly ALF rear-mount ground ladder arrangement debate. Another '71 (from the officer's side) doing reserve duty in 1988.