Quote:Engine 252, Ashville, AL

1999 International 4900/Pierce

1250/750

#EC-445

Quote:Today I attended a demonstration/showing of the new Pierce Ascendant aerial.  Even though I have retired, I am still involved with my FD's purchase of our new Quint 3, which has been in the process for 4 years.  Ground should be broken for the new Station in the next couple months.  We wrote the specs 4 years ago, but since this is a new product, we wanted to check it out.  It's a nice concept and a nice ladder, but overall, not suited to the needs of our department.  We'll be sticking with what we've been working on.

 

2014 Pierce Enforcer

1500/500/107'

#28109

Quote:Dave, I was told that this thing cannot carry very much equipment due to the weight of a steel aerial, and the pump and tank on board already, it can only carry 2800 lbs. Of equipment/hose/tools did you hear that same figure?

Quote:According to the brochure, which features this same truck, the equipment capacity is 2500 pounds plus another 100 pounds of equipment on the aerial (such as a roof ladder, axe, pike pole, etc).  It's not so much a weight capacity issue as a space capacity issue for my FD.  There just isn't enough compartment space to carry all we need to carry.  I also have a blueprint of the Ascendant P.U.C., and the compartment space isn't much different.  The Ascendant's wheelbase is about 242" and the rig we are looking at is 230".  Since we have a 100' platform, we don't feel the need for a 107' stick, a 75' will work just fine, since this is going to primarily function as an EMS response pumper.  The shorter wheelbase will give it the maneuverability we need.  We just felt we should check the Ascendant out so we didn't overlook a rig that could have better suited us.  The Ascendant could be an excellent choice for many departments.

Quote:You will need to start planning a trip back to the coast, Lots of new apparatus here and more coming. Savannah has two Sutphen 100' mid mount aerials, another on order, a rescue squad, and a fireboat. Bluffton has a new tower and looking to replace all frontline engines (bid is awaiting award), we will be ordering 4 engines and a 100" tiller, garden city is adding on to our engine contract for 1, maybe 2 and they have a new tanker on order (Freightliner/Fouts 3000 gallon), Effingham County has 2 new used engines inservice and Springfield has merged with Effingham and have a few cool military conversions they have done, finally Rincon has several used trucks they have gotten as well.

Quote:Dave, I was told that this thing cannot carry very much equipment due to the weight of a steel aerial, and the pump and tank on board already, it can only carry 2800 lbs. Of equipment/hose/tools did you hear that same figure?

Quote:I believe the NFPA minimum for loose equipment is 2500lbs, do not believe that includes water, hose, or personnel but does include air packs.  Either way I compared the weights of the 107' to a Pierce Aluminum 75' that both had the same motor, same generator, very similar axle and total gvwr ratings, and same size pump and 500 water and believe it or not the weights are pretty close, the curb weight on both of these with water but no personnel or loose equipment was 9500lbs shy of their overall gross vehicle weight rating for the 75' and 9655lbs shy for the 107'.  I think the issues w/ the 107 are right in line w/ the issues you already see w/ 75' single axle quints, you cannot put all you would like to on them because of less compartment space as well as the weight of the stuff you add adds up quickly and the buyer needs to be aware of that ahead of time or they can overweigh the rigs.....its the same problem w/ the mini-pumpers on F-550 chassis that Fire Apparatus Magazine touched on a few months back, they are too easy to overload and if you want to put all the stuff a full size pumper carries on them you will overload them.  If you want to put all the stuff a pumper and all the stuff a truck carries on one of these 107 or 75' quints, you'll overload them.  I was told the 107' aerial device and its associated components itself when designed weighs 4,000 lbs less then the 105' and is a comparable weight to the 75's Pierce produces.  If weight and compartment space will definitely be a concern for the customer on the 107' I am also told it will be available on a tandem rear axle so that will gain you some more ground.  

Quote:You will need to start planning a trip back to the coast, Lots of new apparatus here and more coming. Savannah has two Sutphen 100' mid mount aerials, another on order, a rescue squad, and a fireboat.

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Is the new rescue in production yet? Had heard it was most likely going to be Sutphen / SVI and just curious if that is who is constructing it. Thanks!

 

Drew

 

Quote:Scooby what are the dates? Location? And time for FRI? also what is the Savannah Rescue? Like Columbus or like Orlando?

Quote:It is in production, and it is a Sutphen/SVI. Plans are for it to be at FRI in Atlanta next month.