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St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-03-2007
[quote name='photog999' post='136500' date='Aug 3 2007, 19:00 ']Steve,
Excellent history of St. Louis! I am waiting to see if anyone has the mid 70's to the change to quints to post here as I have the department shot after the changeover in 1988 or 89. I am also going to do some shooting this weekend here in STL to update my roster of rigs and get a sample of the current fleet.
Dennis[/quote]
Thank you Dennis. I'm aware of another St. Louis thread that has some photos of the 21 Howe engines purchased in 1977 in it. I am also really curious to see if there what other apparatus purchases were made by the St. Louis FD before they went to the "Quint" concept in 1988-1989.
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-03-2007
StL334- Firepixer Ben has a number of pictures of St. Louis Fire Stations posted at:
[url="http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/index.php?showtopic=1871"]http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/index.php?showtopic=1871[/url]
On pages 5 and 6 he has a history of St. Louis FD Companies and their locations over the years. It is very interesting information on the history of St. Louis company locations. You will note as you look through this that St. Louis has a history of re-numbering its fire stations over the years. It looked like that happened in the early 40s when they went from stations numbered as high as "57" to a numbering system that ended with the number of companies still in service at that time.
Even when Paige Van Vorst and I visited in 1965, a number of the St. Louis Stations had a higher number etched in concrete above the apparatus door than the engine company stationed inside. For example, Engine 13 was in a station at 1400 Shawmut Place that was numbered in the 40s. I imagine the concept was to have no companies numbered higher than the number of companies actually still in service. That's an OK concept, but it sure leads to a lot of confusion over the years.
The same re-numbering occurred in 1974-75-76 when St. Louis got rid of Stations (and Engines) numbered above 38 and renumbered their stations (Engines) in vacated numbers below 39. Engines 40 & 41 became Engines 15 and 25 in the station on Delmar for example.
St. Louis Metro - BFD1151 - 08-04-2007
Good shots Phil! I like the Metro West engine, very cool graphics and color scheme.
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-04-2007
Quote:St. Louis had a few fire stations at the time that were identified with hyphenated double numbering. St.Louis "Station 5-25" at 2123 N Market was similarly identified.
Correct...some of the houses still have those numbers!
St. Louis Metro - ilfirebuff - 08-05-2007
Great Shots Steve,
Thanks a lot for posting them. I think it was really neat to see what the cheifs were driving around in back then.
St. Louis Metro - eric christopher - 08-05-2007
Nice job, and a great look back at the St. louis FD prior to the "quint concept" which changed how that department and many others operate today.
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-08-2007
Thanks for the compliment Micah!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-08-2007
Does anyone know if the chiefs were always "800" series on the radios?
ie. 802 for Battalion 2 and so on....
Or were they ever referrred to as "Battalion 2" and so on?
St. Louis Metro - Ladder 68 - 08-08-2007
While we're asking St. Louis Fire Department questions, let me throw in a couple:
Anyone have a Battalion breakdown for the department currently? Who is in which Battalion, Division, etc.
Any idea on which companies were in which Battalion prior to the Quint Concept?
Thanks.
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-08-2007
I can give you the run down by district/battalion present day...
Battalion 1
Engine 5-----H&L 2-----801(Battalion 1)
Engine 8
Engine 9------Medic 9
Engine 10-----Medic 10
Engine 17
Battalion 2
Engine 1-----Squad 1------851 & 852 (Collapse Rescue Task Force)
Engine 2------H&L 6-----Medic 2-----802 (Battalion 2) The Shops are located behind the 2's
Engine 7------821 (Fire Investigation Unit)-----810 (Deputy Chief-citywide shift commander)
Engine 11-----Marine Unit 4 and 854 (Marine Unit Task Force)
Battalion 3
Engine 6
Engine 22
Engine 31-----Medic 31
Engine 35-----Medic 35-----803 (Battalion 3)
Engine 36-----H&L 4
Battalion 4
Engine 4-----804 (Battalion 4)
Engine 14-----Medic 14
Engine 19
Engine 23------Medic 23
Engine 32------Medic 32
Engine 34
Battalion 5
Engine 13------Medic 13
Engine 28------H&L 15------805 (Battalion 5)------HazMat 1 & 2
Engine 29------Medic 29----HazMat 3
Engine 30
Battalion 6
Engine 12------Medic 12
Engine 20-------806 (Battalion 6)
Engine 24
Engine 26
Engine 27
Engine 33------Medic 33
Various reserve apparatus and other support units located thru out all of these houses.
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-08-2007
StLFF34 - Back in 1965 St. Louis was already using the 800 series numbers for their chiefs. Here are the chiefs and assignemts in 1965:
800 Assistant Chief
801 1st Bn @ Engine 40, 921 Delmar
802 2nd Bn @ Engine 2, 314 South 12th
803 3rd Bn @ Engine 35, 5450 Arsenal
804 4th Bn @ Engine 4, 4425 S Compton
805 5th Bn @ Engine 8, 1501 Salisbury
806 6th Bn @ Engine 12, 5214 W Florissant
807 7th Bn @ Engine 43, 4810 Enright
808 8th Bn @ Engine 1, 2413 Mc Nair
809 9th Bn @ Engine 30. 541 DeBaliviere
810 Chief Inspectors Car
811 Fire Marshall
812 Executive Deputy
Car A- Chief of Dept
Car B- Deputy
Car C- Master Mechanic
Car D- Public Safety Director
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-10-2007
Id like to know how they fit a pumper and a chief buggy in the 8's house! Even w/the size of rigs back in 1965 that had to be a tight fit!
St. Louis Metro - Ladder 68 - 08-12-2007
Now some more questions for the St. Louis area guys:
Where are the Air Units quartered?
Where is the Command Unit quartered?
Where is Squad Co. 02 quartered?
Where are the Foam Unit(s) located?
What are the Airport Units (Engine 44/Ladder 44?) and what Battalion are they in?
Can someone confirm that the following companies have been disbanded:
E3, E15, E21, E25, E38, H&L1, H&L 3, H&L10, H&L12, H&L13, H&L14, H&L16, H&L17, H&L18 and all the Snorkel Co.'s.
Thanks for the tolerating all the nit picky questions.
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-12-2007
The last time I saw it the Air Unit was housed at station 1 on Jefferson. Housed with E-1, Rescue 1, Collapse Rescue.
Squad 2 is quartered with E-29 at Vandeventer and Forest Park Parkway.
Im not sure on the numberinf for the Airport units, but they are District 8.
The companies that you listed have been disbanded.
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St. Louis Metro - photog999 - 08-13-2007
[quote name='SLCPDEXPLORER' post='135817' date='Aug 1 2007, 14:44 ']The St. Louis Metro has a metro numbering system. St. Louis County, Jefferson County, St. Charles County use the 4 digit numbering. St. Louis City and the City of Brentwood are the only departments that do not follow this numbering. The first 2 numbers represent the department. The 3rd is station number. The 4th is type of apparatus.
0-Engine
1-Second Out engine
2-Ladder Co.
3-Tanker
4-Rescue/engine
5- Quint
6-Rescue Co./Squad
7-Medics
8-utility/brush
9-utility/brush/marine
An Example is:
Metro West 3354.
33- Metro West
5- Station 5
4- Rescue Engine
Also, no department in the area has more than 7 stations. 8 or 9 in the station slot represents reserve units. Its a very nice system. So departments number their quints as truck co. Im not sure why on that. I hope I made all of this make sense. If you have another question about just ask.[/quote]
Phil,
Thanks for the info on the numbering system, can you also list each departments 2 digit identifier for all 3 counties? It sure would make life easier when I'm down there to know what city is getting dispatched. Thanks in advance!
Dennis
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-13-2007
Ill try my best. There are close to 100!!
411/407- City of Brentwood, only 3-digit FD
1100's- Affton
1200's- Crestwood
1300's- Fenton
1400's- Glendale
1500's- Kirkwood
1600's- Lemay
1700's- Mehlville (Largest department in the metro, besides StLFD. And my home department)
1800's- Shrewsbury
1900's- Valley park
2000's- Webster Groves
2100's- Richmond Heights
2200's- Monarch (City of Chesterfield/Clarkson Valley)
2300's- Creve Coeur
2400's- Eureka
2500's- Would be Brentwood FD if they were 4 digit
2600's- University City
2700's- Olivette
2800's- Des Peres
2900's- Frontenac
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-13-2007
3000's- Ferguson
3100's- Maplewood
3200's- Clayton
3300's- Metro West
3400's- Rock Hill
3500's- West County EMS & Fire
3600's- Berekeley
3700's- Black Jack
3800's- Community
3900's- Ladue
4000's Florissant Valley
4100's- Hazelwood
4200's- Jenngings
4300's- Kinloch
4400's- Maryland Heights
4500's- Mid- County
4600's- Metro North
4700's- Normandy
4800's- Pattonville
4900's- Riverview
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-13-2007
5000's- Robertson
5100's- Spanish Lake
5200's- West Overland
Everything from here up was St. Louis County
Jefferson County
5300's- Antonia
5400's-
5500's
5600's- Crystal City
5700's- Desoto City
5800's- Desoto Rural
5900's-
6000's-
6100's- Pacific (St. Louis/Franklin/Jefferson Co.'s)
6200's- Hematite
6300's- Herculaneum
6400's- High Ridge
6500's- Hillsboro
6600's- Festus
6700's- Mapaville
6800's-
6900's-
7000's-
7100's- Rock Community
7200's- Jefferson R-7
7300's- Shady Valley
7400's- Springdale
7500's-
7600's- Goldman
7700's- Cedar Hill
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-13-2007
7800's-
7900's-
8000's
8100's-
8200's-
8300's-
8400's-
8500's-
8600's- Augusta
8700's- Cottleville
8800's-
8900's- New Melle
9000's-
9100's- O'Fallon
9200's- Lake St. Louis
9300's-
9400's- St. Charles
9500's- Central County
9600's-
9700's-
9800's
9900's- Rivers Pointe (Former West Alton/ Portage Des Sioux Combined)
Sorry I dont know any of the blanks off hand. Some of the blanks arent departments, I was just numbering. But I was able to get the departments that you will more likely see. The numbers passed 52 are farther out departments. With the exceptions of 71, 74, 87, 94 these border St. Louis County. 91, 92, 95 are in the suburbs off of I-70 in St. Charles, but are quite a drive.
St. Louis Metro - Guest - 08-13-2007
Dennis,
What part of St. Louis are you staying in? Maybe I could help you with the departments that are closer to where you will be.