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Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Deputy Chief. Photo Credit Willman940
![[Image: DeputyChief.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/DeputyChief.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Minneapolis Mn Engine 2, photo Credit Willman940
2004 SparEv/Gen Safety/RK Sedan CF,2000/500 100',F#: 04MET18
![[Image: Engine2.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Engine2.jpg)
![[Image: Engine21-1.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Engine21-1.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Minneapolis Mn Chief 4 Northside Chief. Willman940 Photo.
![[Image: DistrictChief4.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/DistrictChief4.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Minneapolis Mn Ladder 4. Willman940 Photo.
1998 Sutphen Sedan CF 1500 ,100'HS-3318
![[Image: Ladder42.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Ladder42.jpg)
![[Image: Ladder41.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Ladder41.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Minneapolis Mn Engine 4. Willman940 Photo
2004 SparEv/Gen'l Safety Sedan CF,2000/750, F#: 04MET09
![[Image: Engine4.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Engine4.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Minneapolis Water Rescue Unit 4, and Boat 4. Willman940 Photo.
![[Image: Boat4.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Boat4.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Minneapolis Mn Engine 6, Photo Credit willman940.
2009 Pierce Arrow XT, Sedan CF,2000/700, 21346
![[Image: Engine6-1.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Engine6-1.jpg)
![[Image: Engine62.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Engine62.jpg)
![[Image: Engine61.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Engine61.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Minneapolis Mn Ladder 11, busiest ladder in the city housed with Engine 6, this rig is in the shops more then in service. Willman940 Photos.
2004 Pierce Lance Sedan CF,2000/200,100', 15752
![[Image: Ladder11.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Ladder11.jpg)
![[Image: Ladder112.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Ladder112.jpg)
![[Image: Ladder111.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Ladder111.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
District Chief 1, Housed at station 6. Willman940 photo.
![[Image: DistrictChief1.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/DistrictChief1.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Minneapolis Mn Rescue 1, Not staffed anymore now, it is only used for tech rescue calls if needed, staffed with crew from Engine 6, Ladder 11. Willman940 Photo.
2000 Pierce Lance Enclosed CF, 11397
![[Image: Rescue1.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Rescue1.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
District Chief 2, Southside Chief, Housed with Engine 8
Willman940 Photo.
![[Image: Chief2.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Chief2.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - grubber33270 - 04-11-2011
Engine 8, Willman940 Photo.
2004 SparEv/Gen'l Safety,Sedan CF,2000/750, F#: 04MET06
![[Image: Engine8-1.jpg]](http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af246/Grubber33470/Minneapolis/Engine8-1.jpg)
Minnesota Apparatus - ShoreFire - 04-11-2011
<img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' /> I realize that the M.F.D. has been using the rear view mirror configuration that we see here for a few years now, what is the general consensus of the apparatus drivers?
Minnesota Apparatus - usonian55077 - 04-11-2011
Ladder 11 is emblematic of everything wrong with the Minneapolis Fire Department (disclaimer: this rant I'm about to go on is based 55% on my opinion, 45% on fact) (additional disclaimer: it's not all the MFD's fault, the Minneapolis City Council has been dysfunctional and ineffective since the 1970's).
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSCx4YZt4hk"]First, here is an illuminating YouTube clip featuring the aforementioned L11. It's relevant to the rant.[/url]
Minneapolis (population 380,000) & St. Paul (population 285,000) share a border and are geographically similar in size, and the MFD and StPFD often support each other in mutual aid. Aside from that, the two departments couldn't be more different. Minneapolis has 19 stations(19 engines, 6 trucks, 2 heavy rescues, engines & trucks act as first responders for EMS which is provided by Hennepin County), St. Paul has 15 stations (17 engines, 6 trucks, 3 heavy rescues, 12 paramedic ambulances). The true difference lies in funding, governance, politics, and apparatus specifications.
Saint Paul has best-of-breed, custom designed, well spec'd apparatus. Minneapolis has whatever they can get based on the whims of the current city council when bids are sent out. Saint Paul runs 3 heavy rescues that are renowned for their specialties and aggressive firefighting tactics, Minneapolis just placed 1 of their 2 squads out of service. Saint Paul invests in public safety, Minneapolis is looking to cut fire & police staffing.
The video I posted of L11 trying to navigate city streets in its own response district shows the lack of foresight of the MFD. All MFD trucks until the 1980's were tillers...wouldn't that make more sense? There are 2 newer Pierce tillers in service, but, I'm not sure they're properly assigned because L11 sure could use one. Earlier in the 2000's, the chief at the time sold the council on the Quint concept, and the department bought several 100' quints to run as both engines & trucks. They weren't the worst things to roll of Rosenbauer's assembly line, but they just didn't work well. And, supposedly crews are unhappy with the size of the last few Pierce Engines. So, the city spec'd new engines on a Freightliner 4-door chassis. I know that Crimson Fire is well known for short wheelbase pumpers on Spartan (see Riverside County, CA) and HME (See Chicago) chassis, why didn't they ever even consider that route? Ugh...the MFD frustrates me from the perspective as a buff, and concerns me as a citizen of the greater MSP metro area.
Minnesota Apparatus - davemcclung - 04-11-2011
[quote name='usonian' timestamp='1302567425' post='434078']
Ladder 11 is emblematic of everything wrong with the Minneapolis Fire Department (disclaimer: this rant I'm about to go on is based 55% on my opinion, 45% on fact) (additional disclaimer: it's not all the MFD's fault, the Minneapolis City Council has been dysfunctional and ineffective since the 1970's).
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSCx4YZt4hk"]First, here is an illuminating YouTube clip featuring the aforementioned L11. It's relevant to the rant.[/url]
Minneapolis (population 380,000) & St. Paul (population 285,000) share a border and are geographically similar in size, and the MFD and StPFD often support each other in mutual aid. Aside from that, the two departments couldn't be more different. Minneapolis has 19 stations(19 engines, 6 trucks, 2 heavy rescues, engines & trucks act as first responders for EMS which is provided by Hennepin County), St. Paul has 15 stations (17 engines, 6 trucks, 3 heavy rescues, 12 paramedic ambulances). The true difference lies in funding, governance, politics, and apparatus specifications.
Saint Paul has best-of-breed, custom designed, well spec'd apparatus. Minneapolis has whatever they can get based on the whims of the current city council when bids are sent out. Saint Paul runs 3 heavy rescues that are renowned for their specialties and aggressive firefighting tactics, Minneapolis just placed 1 of their 2 squads out of service. Saint Paul invests in public safety, Minneapolis is looking to cut fire & police staffing.
The video I posted of L11 trying to navigate city streets in its own response district shows the lack of foresight of the MFD. All MFD trucks until the 1980's were tillers...wouldn't that make more sense? There are 2 newer Pierce tillers in service, but, I'm not sure they're properly assigned because L11 sure could use one. Earlier in the 2000's, the chief at the time sold the council on the Quint concept, and the department bought several 100' quints to run as both engines & trucks. They weren't the worst things to roll of Rosenbauer's assembly line, but they just didn't work well. And, supposedly crews are unhappy with the size of the last few Pierce Engines. So, the city spec'd new engines on a Freightliner 4-door chassis. I know that Crimson Fire is well known for short wheelbase pumpers on Spartan (see Riverside County, CA) and HME (See Chicago) chassis, why didn't they ever even consider that route? Ugh...the MFD frustrates me from the perspective as a buff, and concerns me as a citizen of the greater MSP metro area.
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I have long since stopped trying to decipher anything that Minneapolis, and and to a lesser degree St. Paul and some of the suburban departments, do.
Minnesota Apparatus - Guest - 04-11-2011
Well, they sent one of their problems to Baltimore City. I think the brothers there would gladly return him.
Minnesota Apparatus - davemcclung - 04-11-2011
[quote name='WAGONMAN' timestamp='1302570347' post='434087']
Well, they sent one of their problems to Baltimore City. I think the brothers there would gladly return him.
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If you think that problem is the worst that could possibly be sent your way, oh boy do we have some surprises for you........
Minnesota Apparatus - Guest - 04-11-2011
In that case you must have some real super losers, because he is a loser 1st class.
Minnesota Apparatus - davemcclung - 04-11-2011
[quote name='WAGONMAN' timestamp='1302571862' post='434104']
In that case you must have some real super losers, because he is a loser 1st class.
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Each city/region/state/country has its share of the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Minnesota Apparatus - Guest - 04-12-2011
Maybe be silly, but what's the purpose of the brushes on the front wheel wells?