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Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - OPEN CAB MACK - 12-30-2008
[quote name='Shoop' post='269451' date='Dec 30 2008, 01:07 ']Ladder 68,
There are currently units in the 20 and 30 designations. At one time Pittsburgh had units in the 40, 50, & 60 designations that were front line, but they haven't been around for years.
PFDEng1,
You don't have anymore Pittsburgh? or any extra slides for sale do you?[/quote]
I know what you mean now. That was reoganization that took place in the mid 80's. Everything was renumbered. The numbering in the 50,s was designated for the North Side. This was old Allegheny City. The Station on Troy Hill, 39, used to be old Allegheny City Station # 11. When the City of Pittsburgh annexed Allegheny, they renumbered everything in the North Side. Station 11 became Station 51. The first nuber was dropped and a "5" replaced it.
There was a reorganization that took place in 1992. This is when the tillers, and squads were eliminated. The last one took place 3 years ago when 39 and four other stations were closed.
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - OPEN CAB MACK - 12-30-2008
[quote name='Shoop' post='269457' date='Dec 30 2008, 01:43 ']Here are 8 more Pittsburgh classics for your viewing pleasure! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> ![[Image: PittsburghEngine3.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine3.jpg)
Engine 3
1981 Ford/Grumman 1500/500
Denis Gardner Photo
![[Image: PittsburghEngine14.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine14.jpg)
Engine 14
1971 ALF 1500/500
Tom Bair Photo
![[Image: PittsburghEngine19.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine19.jpg)
Engine 19
1977 GMC/ALF 1000/500
Tom Bair Photo
![[Image: PittsburghX2.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghX2.jpg)
X 2
1966 Seagrave/1983 Doerr Bro's 1000/300
Tom Bair Photo[/quote]
These Louisvilles were powerful rigs. When delivered, they were assigned to Engines 1, 3, and 4. The 1971 American LaFrance was an emergency purchase. This engine was bought due to the fact that the city lost an engine at the Beacon Warehouse fire. This engine was at American LaFrance on Neville Island and the city bought it. It was the first diesel powered engine that the city had.
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
[quote name='OPEN CAB MACK' post='269490' date='Dec 30 2008, 08:52 ']These Louisvilles were powerful rigs. When delivered, they were assigned to Engines 1, 3, and 4. The 1971 American LaFrance was an emergency purchase. This engine was bought due to the fact that the city lost an engine at the Beacon Warehouse fire. This engine was at American LaFrance on Neville Island and the city bought it. It was the first diesel powered engine that the city had.[/quote]
The American LaFrance looks quite simular to a San Francisco Engine of that era.
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - OPEN CAB MACK - 12-30-2008
[quote name='Shoop' post='269459' date='Dec 30 2008, 01:45 ']
![[Image: PittsburghTruck12.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghTruck12.jpg)
Truck 12
1979 Seagrave 100'
Tom Bair Photo
Never repainted to my knowledge. Sold to Monesson
![[Image: PittsburghTruck14.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghTruck14.jpg)
Truck 14
1976 Seagrave/1983 Doerr Bro's 100'
Originally painted safety orange. Damaged by fire in 1982.
Tom Bair Photo
![[Image: PittsburghTruck23Thibault.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghTruck23Thibault.jpg)
Truck 23
1984 Duplex/Thibault 100'
Tom Bair Photo
![[Image: PittsburghTruck37.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghTruck37.jpg)
Truck 37
1988 Pierce/Smeal 105'
Tom Bair Photo[/quote]
The tiller that was sold to Monesson, was 14 truck, It was black over yellow gold like the others. not sure what color it was when purchased. The other truck mentioned, and others were painted Omaha orange. It was a safety color that was used on some Seagrave trucks the city purchased. 18 truck out of Squirell Hill was a straight rear mount stick was a 1978 - 1982 ish. This truck came in with that color as well. The Pierce tiller that was numbered 37 went the Greensburg Truck 2.
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - ff002 - 12-30-2008
[quote name='OPEN CAB MACK' post='269502' date='Dec 30 2008, 09:42 ']The tiller that was sold to Monesson, was 14 truck, It was black over yellow gold like the others. not sure what color it was when purchased. The other truck mentioned, and others were painted Omaha orange. It was a safety color that was used on some Seagrave trucks the city purchased. 18 truck out of Squirell Hill was a straight rear mount stick was a 1978 - 1982 ish. This truck came in with that color as well. The Pierce tiller that was numbered 37 went the Greensburg Truck 2.[/quote]
Did Pittsburgh like the rear mount Thibaults?.....
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - chcmedic93 - 12-30-2008
I love the Q2B mounted on the rear portion of the roof on the 1977 GMC/ALF. That had to have a bad effect on the hearing of some guys!
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
Open Cab Mack,
I have slides of two 70's ALF engines. The one I posted, and the other assigned to Engine 1. Was there 1 or 2 of these purchased?
Which tiller did Monesson get. I posted Mike Martinelli's link below. If you look at the picture you can tell that Monesson got old Truck 12. Monesson also has a boat tender though which is an old Seagrave tractor. It is from the old Truck 14.
[url="http://fdnytrucks.com/files/html/otherstates/Western%20Pennsylvania/Monessen.htm"]http://fdnytrucks.com/files/html/otherstat...ia/Monessen.htm[/url]
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
![[Image: DSC_0058.jpg]](http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/PSHOOP/WESTMORELAND%20COUNTY/DSC_0058.jpg)
Here is a picture of the boat tender that was taken by my dad last year.
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
A question though. We know where both of the Seagrave tillers they had went. Where did the 1978 Seagrave 100' Rearmount that was assigned to Truck 34 end up?
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
Mike,
You answered my question on the alf engine. Thanks
L12 & L14 are two different aerials. L12 a 79, and L14 a 76. Both came in safety orange. L14 was the only one to get repainted that I know of. Both were sold to Monesson. L12 was used as their aerial, and L14 became the boat tender.
The city purchased a total of 4 thibault aerials. I sort of doubt that the engines were going to be built by thibault. It would have been neat to see the engines though, because there is always the possibility that they were going to be Mack CF's.
The MM Seagrave was purchased in black/yellow.
I'll get ya some Mack R's in red scanned!
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
Here ya go Mike! I just noticed this. Not all of the Mack engines had the same size pumps. I have numerous slides of the macks, and quite a few have the smaller 1000 gpm pumps. Can anymore verify this for sure?
![[Image: PittsburghEngine22.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine22.jpg)
Engine 22
1974 Mack 1000/500
John Schmidt Photo
![[Image: PittsburghEngine30.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine30.jpg)
Engine 30
1972 Mack 1250/500
Tom Bair Photo
Originally assigned to E29
![[Image: PittsburghEngine32MackR.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine32MackR.jpg)
Engine 32
1973 Mack 1250/500
Tom Bair Photo
![[Image: PittsburghEngine51.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine51.jpg)
Engine 51
1972 Mack 1000/500
Tom Bair Photo
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - ATFagent - 12-30-2008
Gentlemen,
Let's not forget the Ford/Grumman purchases. Here is 23 Engine in 1982 near Mt. Oliver. I know 38 Engine had one also.
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - bandit - 12-30-2008
Looking at all these apparatus, does or did PBF staff their engines with 2 people?
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
Mike,
Here are the brockways once again. All photos courtesy of you, and were taken by Paul Avery. I need to scan E38, and E39, so that all the original 6 would be on here. Original assignments to 6, 7, 38, 39, 42, 52
1978 Brockway/Maxim 1500/500
![[Image: PittsburghEngine6.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine6.jpg)
![[Image: PittsburghEngine7.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine7.jpg)
![[Image: PittsburghEngine15-1.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine15-1.jpg)
![[Image: PittsburghEngine32.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine32.jpg)
![[Image: PittsburghEngine42.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine42.jpg)
![[Image: PittsburghEngine52.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Shoop/PittsburghEngine52.jpg)
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
[quote name='Shoop' post='269593' date='Dec 30 2008, 17:58 ']1978 Brockway/Maxim 1500/500
[/quote]I really like the looks of those, thanks for putting them up.
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
I have to assume that when Pittsburgh had the Brockways' that the other two guys road tailboard. Is that the case?
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Ladder 68 - 12-30-2008
Great, great photos of how PBF once was before the bean counters entered the picture. Couple of questions:
Was there ever 52 Engine Co.'s in the PBF? I ask because of the company designations or was that a reserve designation?
And was or is there a difference between "Engine" and "Pumper"? Maybe a 2 piece Engine Co.?
Thanks in advance.
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
Open Cab Mack,
Do you know what rig was lost at the Beacon Warehouse Fire? Also, can you post your pictures of the engines, and tiller in operation.
Thanks
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - Guest - 12-30-2008
Ladder 68,
At one time there were a total of around 60 firehouses in the City. I don't think that the City ever had a Engine & Pumper station, but I do know that some stations had reserve engines as well as their front lines.
Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire - R1SmokeEater - 12-30-2008
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