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Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Frank B - 10-10-2010
Burlington NJ Relief fire co
1972 Imperial #555-C
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Frank B - 10-10-2010
Burlington NJ Independent fire co
1972 Imperial #555-A
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Frank B - 10-10-2010
Burlington NJ 1972 Imperial #555-A to Southern Stone County MO
photo by Jerry Bell
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Frank B - 10-10-2010
Burlington NJ 1972 Imperial 555-C
to Southern Stone County MO
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Frank B - 10-10-2010
x Burlington Twp NJ Beverly Road 1972 Imperial
unknown photographer
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Guest - 10-11-2010
The Imperial Cabs look like Hahn cabs. Whats the history behind the similarity?
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - GA_Dave - 10-11-2010
Quote:The Imperial Cabs look like Hahn cabs. Whats the history behind the similarity?
Early Hahn "customs" were built on an AutoCar or FWD cab forward chassis using a cab built by TCM (Truck Cab Manufacturers, cincinnati, OH). When Hahn began building on their own custom chassis in 1966, the same TCM cab was used. From then until 1972, when the Hahn "Eyebrow" cab was introduced, all Hahn custom apparatus used the TCM cab.
Imperial built fire apparatus from 1969-1975 and all Imperial custom apparatus had TCM cabs.
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Guest - 10-11-2010
[quote name='GA_Dave' date='11 October 2010 - 03:06 PM' timestamp='1286822818' post='406666']
Early Hahn "customs" were built on an AutoCar or FWD cab forward chassis using a cab built by TCM (Truck Cab Manufacturers, cincinnati, OH). When Hahn began building on their own custom chassis in 1966, the same TCM cab was used. From then until 1972, when the Hahn "Eyebrow" cab was introduced, all Hahn custom apparatus used the TCM cab.
Imperial built fire apparatus from 1969-1975 and all Imperial custom apparatus had TCM cabs.
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Interesting. Thanks. Answered a few questions I have had. Now I get the term "Cincinnati Cab" as well.
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Frank B - 10-11-2010
[quote name='GA_Dave' date='11 October 2010 - 03:06 PM' timestamp='1286822818' post='406666']
Early Hahn "customs" were built on an AutoCar or FWD cab forward chassis using a cab built by TCM (Truck Cab Manufacturers, cincinnati, OH). When Hahn began building on their own custom chassis in 1966, the same TCM cab was used. From then until 1972, when the Hahn "Eyebrow" cab was introduced, all Hahn custom apparatus used the TCM cab.
Imperial built fire apparatus from 1969-1975 and all Imperial custom apparatus had TCM cabs.
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Imperial's rigs look very similar to Hahn's I think this was intended (body's & chassis).
Imperial & Hahn's main market was in the same area. Many Imperial rig's were sold to Hahn customers.
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Guest - 10-11-2010
[quote name='GA_Dave' date='10 October 2010 - 06:32 PM' timestamp='1286752339' post='406550']
Engine 84, Bensenville, IL
1975 Imperial/Pierce Fire Marshall
1500/750
#I-647
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Both the Bensenville rigs were Pierce's with Cincinatti cabs. The truck had an early LTI ladder both had Pierce bodys. I remember when I worked ther and was a cadet the cabs had no mention of Imperial. They did have a yellow sticker that said the cab was made by TCM. Matter of a fact the Engine was the first I ever rode on to a working fire as a cadet in 1982.
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Roto-Ray - 10-11-2010
Hey guys, here's one that Jerry Puryear (firemag) and I found in Bedford County, VA about three years ago. This is a reportedly now for sale. Anyone know it's origins?
Huddleston VFD
Bedford County, VA
Pumper 7
1972 Imperial/Young 1250/750
Imperial #1-545, Young #85-R824
Jerry Puryear photo
![[Image: 1043733974_E5UpD-L.jpg]](http://www.virginiafirepix.com/Virginia-Fire-Apparatus/Division-6-Roanoke-Area/Bedford-County/Huddleston-Pumper-7-11-5-06/1043733974_E5UpD-L.jpg)
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - foghog333 - 10-11-2010
Taylor: This engine originally was operated by the New Hamburg, New York Fire Department in Dutchess County. It was rebuilt by Young with a new body and water tank around 1985 and was then sold to Nelsonville, New York. When the Nelsonville Fire Company closed it was donated to Huddleston with some assitance from a local church in Otisville, New York.
Tom Shand
Hamburg, New York
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Roto-Ray - 10-11-2010
Tom, thanks, great information!
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - GA_Dave - 10-11-2010
Quote:Both the Bensenville rigs were Pierce's with Cincinatti cabs. The truck had an early LTI ladder both had Pierce bodys. I remember when I worked ther and was a cadet the cabs had no mention of Imperial. They did have a yellow sticker that said the cab was made by TCM. Matter of a fact the Engine was the first I ever rode on to a working fire as a cadet in 1982.
Okay, so who did build the chassis on these two rigs? Pierce did not begin building custom chassis until the early 1980's.
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Guest - 10-11-2010
I can check with one of the retired Lt's I know he was thre in 75 when they were purchased.
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Frank B - 10-12-2010
[quote name='GA_Dave' date='11 October 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1286844029' post='406791']
Okay, so who did build the chassis on these two rigs? Pierce did not begin building custom chassis until the early 1980's.
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You are correct Dave. it is an Imperial (Pemfab chassis) Pemfab used Cincinnati/TCM on occasion or all the time.
I thought we covered this all ready! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shrug.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />Bensenville IL
Imperial # I-647 (pumper)
# I-633 (aerial)
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - GA_Dave - 10-12-2010
Quote:You are correct Dave.
I knew that Frank. I was just waiting for him to figure it out! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> Imperial sold a sizable number of chassis to other builders, such as Pierce, between 1973 and 1975 when they changed to the production of chassis only and changed the name to PemFab. As far as I've ever seen, Imperial used TCM cabs exclusively on their customs and I believe that PemFab continued to do so until they closed down, although some of those models were proprietary designs.
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Guest - 10-12-2010
[quote name='Frank B' date='10 October 2010 - 08:14 PM' timestamp='1286758490' post='406567']
Burlington NJ 1972 Imperial #555-A to Southern Stone County MO
photo by Jerry Bell
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I don't know Jerry Bell, But here's my Photo, Look like the same ?
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Engine504Driver - 10-12-2010
[quote name='Roto-Ray' date='11 October 2010 - 07:37 PM' timestamp='1286839072' post='406766']
Hey guys, here's one that Jerry Puryear (firemag) and I found in Bedford County, VA about three years ago. This is a reportedly now for sale. Anyone know it's origins?
Huddleston VFD
Bedford County, VA
Pumper 7
1972 Imperial/Young 1250/750
Imperial #1-545, Young #85-R824
Jerry Puryear photo
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Interesting.....and I thought the Imperials that Fairfax County once had were the only ones in Virginia
Imperial Fire Apparatus Rancocas, NJ - Guest - 10-12-2010
Well, The chassis were pemfab. But as it was told to me by the Ret. Lt. Nowhere on the chassis decal did it say Imperial In the original specs it was a pemfab chassis