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Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-08-2011
Thanks goes out to Waren G for all his help with clarification.
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-08-2011
I just talked to Warren also. We are going to do a little more research on the two ALF rigs (T-13 & T-8). While it is true both were sitting on the ALF lot in Elmira, under water after Hurricane Agnes in 1972, it is believed that T-13 (Aero Chief) and Baltimore City WT-1 (also originally an Aero Chief) were ordered together. The story went that WT-1 was also under water, but before accepting delivery, Baltimore City required ALF to completly rework the rig to insure that there were no issues with the apparatus. This rework caused the delivery of WT-1 to be pushed back to 1973. An rumor from that era was that ALF didn't want to have to do a full rework on Baltimore County's Aero Chief like was the case with Baltimore City's and as a deal sweetener, ALF offered the ALF rear mount (T-8) at a flood sale price to Baltimore County and they took it.
T-13 was also rumored to be originally intended for service at Station 1 in Towson, with T-1's Seagrave TDA being sent to Westview to replace the 1949 Seagrave midship, but just prior to delivery, it was decided that the Aero Chief would go to Station 13.
There is a guy that was assigned to T-13 back in that time frame and he was also the Captain at Woodlawn VFD at the same time. If we could get ahold of him, he would probably know the true scoop on all of this.
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-08-2011
Im calling Wayne Thayer tonight lol
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-08-2011
I stand corrected, was using GEF's notes from "Hands, Horses & Engines" pg.143.
On a side note, didn't the Snorkel going to 13 have somethng to do with the construction of the Social Security Administration's Dickinon Building on Woodlawn Drive ?
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-08-2011
Gravenut74, Wayne is probably the other person who can shed some light on all this...lol.
Haligans1, yes, the rumored justification for the Aero Chief going to Station 13 was because it could better serve the SSA complex on Security Blvd/Woodlawn Dr.
Maryland photo's - SrFireOfficial - 03-08-2011
I'm loving this history lesson! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/computer.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Maryland photo's - GA_Dave - 03-09-2011
Quote: While it is true both were sitting on the ALF lot in Elmira, under water after Hurricane Agnes in 1972, it is believed that T-13 (Aero Chief) and Baltimore City WT-1 (also originally an Aero Chief) were ordered together. The story went that WT-1 was also under water, but before accepting delivery, Baltimore City required ALF to completly rework the rig to insure that there were no issues with the apparatus. This rework caused the delivery of WT-1 to be pushed back to 1973.
As far as I know, ALF assigned production numbers when the apparatus was ordered, not when the rig left the factory. Baltimore County's Aero Chief was #2856. The City's Aero Chief was #3355. Based on that, I don't believe they were ordered at the same time.
Maryland photo's - PFDEng1 - 03-09-2011
[size="3"]BALTIMORE COUNTY, MD
TRUCK 8[/size]
[size="3"]1972 American LaFrance 1000 Series 100'
Joel Woods slide/JVMogush collection[/size]
Maryland photo's - PFDEng1 - 03-09-2011
[size="3"]BALTIMORE COUNTY, MD
TRUCK 13
1972 American LaFrance 1000 Series 90' Aerochief
Joel Woods slide/JVMogush collection[/size]
Maryland photo's - PFDEng1 - 03-09-2011
[size="3"]BALTIMORE COUNTY, MD
TRUCK 8
1972 American LaFrance 1000 Series 100'
repainted 1982 BCoFD shops
JVMogush slide[/size]
Maryland photo's - SrFireOfficial - 03-09-2011
[quote name='PFDEng1' timestamp='1299648785' post='428648']
[size="3"]BALTIMORE COUNTY, MD
TRUCK 8
1972 American LaFrance 1000 Series 100'
repainted 1982 BCoFD shops
JVMogush slide[/size]
[/quote]
Someone with more patience than me will have to sift through either this thread or the Baltimore County thread to find the picture of Truck 13 after the articulating boom was removed and replaced with a 100' aerial and repainted white over yellow. Was the conversion to aerial ladder done at the county shops or
was it sent out for that work and then repainted by the county shop?
PS: The Towson fire station, shops and fire academy were my favorite thing to go past while growing up; you could see just about every piece of apparatus the county owned.
Maryland photo's - PFDEng1 - 03-09-2011
Here's my shot of T13 after the 100' aerial replaced the Aerochief boom.
American LaFrance made the change in 1980. I'm not sure what exactly the
BCoFD repair shops did. Maybe the re-paint to yellow.
[size="3"]BALTIMORE COUNTY, MD
TRUCK 13
1972 American LaFrance 1000 Series/1980 American LaFrance 100' aerial.
JVMogush slide 03/85 [/size]
Maryland photo's - PFDEng1 - 03-09-2011
[size="3"]BALTIMORE COUNTY, MD
TRUCK 13
1949 Seagrave Model 66-EA 65'aerial
ex Truck 1, Truck 15
Joel Woods slide/JVMogush collection[/size]
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-09-2011
T-13 shown In front of Catonsville Elementary School on Frederick Rd., Baltimore Co. Md.
Slide dated 1967. unknown photographer.
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-09-2011
Burtonsville VFD
Montgomery County, MD
Engine 15
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-09-2011
Burtonsville VFD
Montgomery County, MD
Rescue Squad 15
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-09-2011
I love to know where that truck ended up. Prob the famous Brandywine junkyard
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-09-2011
Gravenut74, if you are talking about the 1949 Seagrave, you are probably right that it ended up at a scap yard somewhere. After it was done as a reserve rig, it was used by the fire academy for a while, then it sat up on top of the hill with all the other old rigs. The county sure got their money's worth out of that truck.
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-09-2011
Montgomery County, MD
Reserve Ladder
Maryland photo's - Guest - 03-09-2011
[quote name='Rescue131' timestamp='1299684843' post='428688']
Gravenut74, if you are talking about the 1949 Seagrave, you are probably right that it ended up at a scap yard somewhere. After it was done as a reserve rig, it was used by the fire academy for a while, then it sat up on top of the hill with all the other old rigs. The county sure got their money's worth out of that truck.
[/quote]
The Seagrave started life running from Station 6, Dundalk, until the new Towson station complex was built in 1955. It also spent time at Middle River Station 12, but I can't remember if it ran as 12 or as 15 since it went there after that station opened. I think Chief Dietz went to the County Council each year and said that he needed to replace a 1949 ladder truck at whatever station, when in reality it was the same 1949 Seagrave he moved around as new stations opened.