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Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Guest - 06-09-2009



Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Guest - 06-09-2009



Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Guest - 06-09-2009



Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - firemag - 06-09-2009

Oh my goodness!!! Tascman, thanks for posting, and if you have more, please share. Man, I love the old Richmond Macks. Reminds me of by boyhood.

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - e290l103 - 06-09-2009



Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - e290l103 - 06-09-2009



Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - e290l103 - 06-09-2009

Richmond was a huge Mack customer from the 40's thru the early 80's. here's the ones I have listed. corrections are always appreciated.



1945 45S-1265 Richmond, Kentucky KY E3 500/200 Mack E

1948 45S-1433 Richmond, Virginia VA E20 500/200 Mack E Junked Open Cab

1948 45S-1434 Richmond, Virginia VA E21, E12 500/200 Mack E Privately Owned Open Cab on ebay 5/09

1949 45S-1509 Richmond, Virginia VA E11 500/200 Mack E Junked Open Cab

1949 45S-1510 Richmond, Virginia VA E15 500/200 Mack E Sold:VA SPAAMFAA Open Cab

1944 505S-2030 Richmond, Virginia VA 500/200 Mack E Junked Open Cab

1944 505S-2031 Richmond, Virginia VA E16 500/200 Mack E Open Cab

1944 RICHMOND VA E5 Mack E either 505S-2030 or 2031 not sure which



1951 45A-1002 Richmond, Virginia VA W1 500/200 Mack A Junked open cab

1952 75A-1027 Richmond, Virginia VA E15 750/200 Mack A Privately Owned open cab

1952 75A-1028 Richmond, Virginia VA E20 750/200 Mack A Privately Owned open cab

1952 75A-1029 Richmond, Virginia VA E16 750/200 Mack A Privately Owned open cab



1944 19LS-1038 Richmond, Virginia VA T4 ?? Tillered Aerial Mack L/?? American La France

1945 19LS-1045 Richmond, Virginia VA T4 100' Tillered Aerial Mack L/Pirsch

1945 19LS-1046 Richmond, Virginia VA T5 100' Tillered Aerial Mack L/Pirsch

1942 80LS-1127 Richmond, Virginia VA 750/? Mack L

1942 80LS-1128 Richmond, Virginia VA E20 750/? Mack L

1948 85LS-1262 Richmond, Virginia VA E12 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1948 85LS-1263 Richmond, Virginia VA E 750/? Mack L PO

1948 85LS-1264 Richmond, Virginia VA W17 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1948 85LS-1265 Richmond, Virginia VA W18 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1948 85LS-1266 Richmond, Virginia VA W14 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1948 85LS-1267 Richmond, Virginia VA W10 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1950 95LS-1199 Richmond, Virginia VA E5 1000/? Mack L Sold:Weyerhauser Corp, VA

1953 95LS-1323 Richmond, Virginia VA E17 1000/200 Mack L Wrecked

1953 95LS-1324 Richmond, Virginia VA E5 1000/200 Mack L Sold:?? Industrial FD





1956 B85F-1133 Richmond, Virginia VA E4, E14 750/? Mack B Open Cab

1957 B85F-1271 Richmond, Virginia VA E10, E19 750/? Mack B

1955 B95F-1025 Richmond, Virginia VA E2, E7 1000/? Mack B Open Cab

1958 B95F-1120 Richmond, Virginia VA E10, E6, FA1000/200 Mack B Open Cab



1959 C85F-1127 Richmond, Virginia VA E8 750/? Mack C

1959 C85F-1136 Richmond, Virginia VA E7 750/? Mack C

1960 C85F-1160 Richmond, Virginia VA T3 100' Tillered Aerial Mack C/Pirsch

1961 C85F-1199 Richmond, Virginia VA W13, Flying Squad, R17 750/? Mack C

1961 C85F-1200 Richmond, Virginia VA T5, RT20 Tractor Only 1961 Mack C/1948 Pirsch 100' Trailer

1962 C95F-1137 Richmond, Virginia VA 1000/400 Mack C Sold:Midway FD, Pawley's Island, South Carolina

1962 C95F-1138 Richmond, Virginia VA 1000/400 Mack C Sold:Midway FD, Pawley's Island, South Carolina

1962 RICHMOND VA Tactical Squad 2 1000/? Mack C

1962 RICHMOND VA E1, E8 1000/300 Mack C

1964 RICHMOND VA E14 1000/? Mack C

1965 RICHMOND VA E21 1000/? Mack C



(the 2 1962C models are probably 1137 and 1138, i just dont know for sure which)





1974 CF611F10-1679 Richmond, Virginia VA E1P 1000/500 Mack CF

1974 CF611F10-1680 Richmond, Virginia VA E13W 1000/500 Mack CF

1977 CF611F10-1859 Richmond, Virginia VA TS1 1000/500 1977 Mack CF/1987 Local

1977 CF611F10-1860 Richmond, Virginia VA E14 1000/500 Mack CF

1982 CF611F10-2210 Richmond, Virginia VA E22 1250/500 Mack CF

1982 CF611F10-2211 Richmond, Virginia VA E11, E25 1250/500 Mack CF

1982 CF611F12-2220 Richmond, Virginia VA E22 1250/500 Mack CF

1974 RICHMOND VA E1W 1000/500 Mack CF

1976 RICHMOND VA R31 1000/500 Mack CF

1982 RICHMOND VA R32 1250/500 Mack CF



(did E1P's rig become E1W? what were R31 and R32's original assignments?)

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Truckman - 06-09-2009

[quote name='FDNYTRUCKS.com' post='312448' date='Jun 9 2009, 18:59 ']Richmond was a huge Mack customer from the 40's thru the early 80's. here's the ones I have listed. corrections are always appreciated.



1945 45S-1265 Richmond, Kentucky KY E3 500/200 Mack E

1948 45S-1433 Richmond, Virginia VA E20 500/200 Mack E Junked Open Cab

1948 45S-1434 Richmond, Virginia VA E21, E12 500/200 Mack E Privately Owned Open Cab on ebay 5/09

1949 45S-1509 Richmond, Virginia VA E11 500/200 Mack E Junked Open Cab

1949 45S-1510 Richmond, Virginia VA E15 500/200 Mack E Sold:VA SPAAMFAA Open Cab

1944 505S-2030 Richmond, Virginia VA 500/200 Mack E Junked Open Cab

1944 505S-2031 Richmond, Virginia VA E16 500/200 Mack E Open Cab

1944 RICHMOND VA E5 Mack E either 505S-2030 or 2031 not sure which



1951 45A-1002 Richmond, Virginia VA W1 500/200 Mack A Junked open cab

1952 75A-1027 Richmond, Virginia VA E15 750/200 Mack A Privately Owned open cab

1952 75A-1028 Richmond, Virginia VA E20 750/200 Mack A Privately Owned open cab

1952 75A-1029 Richmond, Virginia VA E16 750/200 Mack A Privately Owned open cab



1944 19LS-1038 Richmond, Virginia VA T4 ?? Tillered Aerial Mack L/?? American La France

1945 19LS-1045 Richmond, Virginia VA T4 100' Tillered Aerial Mack L/Pirsch

1945 19LS-1046 Richmond, Virginia VA T5 100' Tillered Aerial Mack L/Pirsch

1942 80LS-1127 Richmond, Virginia VA 750/? Mack L

1942 80LS-1128 Richmond, Virginia VA E20 750/? Mack L

1948 85LS-1262 Richmond, Virginia VA E12 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1948 85LS-1263 Richmond, Virginia VA E 750/? Mack L PO

1948 85LS-1264 Richmond, Virginia VA W17 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1948 85LS-1265 Richmond, Virginia VA W18 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1948 85LS-1266 Richmond, Virginia VA W14 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1948 85LS-1267 Richmond, Virginia VA W10 750/? Mack L JUNKED

1950 95LS-1199 Richmond, Virginia VA E5 1000/? Mack L Sold:Weyerhauser Corp, VA

1953 95LS-1323 Richmond, Virginia VA E17 1000/200 Mack L Wrecked

1953 95LS-1324 Richmond, Virginia VA E5 1000/200 Mack L Sold:?? Industrial FD





1956 B85F-1133 Richmond, Virginia VA E4, E14 750/? Mack B Open Cab

1957 B85F-1271 Richmond, Virginia VA E10, E19 750/? Mack B

1955 B95F-1025 Richmond, Virginia VA E2, E7 1000/? Mack B Open Cab

1958 B95F-1120 Richmond, Virginia VA E10, E6, FA1000/200 Mack B Open Cab



1959 C85F-1127 Richmond, Virginia VA E8 750/? Mack C

1959 C85F-1136 Richmond, Virginia VA E7 750/? Mack C

1960 C85F-1160 Richmond, Virginia VA T3 100' Tillered Aerial Mack C/Pirsch

1961 C85F-1199 Richmond, Virginia VA W13, Flying Squad, R17 750/? Mack C

1961 C85F-1200 Richmond, Virginia VA T5, RT20 Tractor Only 1961 Mack C/1948 Pirsch 100' Trailer

1962 C95F-1137 Richmond, Virginia VA 1000/400 Mack C Sold:Midway FD, Pawley's Island, South Carolina

1962 C95F-1138 Richmond, Virginia VA 1000/400 Mack C Sold:Midway FD, Pawley's Island, South Carolina

1962 RICHMOND VA Tactical Squad 2 1000/? Mack C

1962 RICHMOND VA E1, E8 1000/300 Mack C

1964 RICHMOND VA E14 1000/? Mack C

1965 RICHMOND VA E21 1000/? Mack C



(the 2 1962C models are probably 1137 and 1138, i just dont know for sure which)





1974 CF611F10-1679 Richmond, Virginia VA E1P 1000/500 Mack CF

1974 CF611F10-1680 Richmond, Virginia VA E13W 1000/500 Mack CF

1977 CF611F10-1859 Richmond, Virginia VA TS1 1000/500 1977 Mack CF/1987 Local

1977 CF611F10-1860 Richmond, Virginia VA E14 1000/500 Mack CF

1982 CF611F10-2210 Richmond, Virginia VA E22 1250/500 Mack CF

1982 CF611F10-2211 Richmond, Virginia VA E11, E25 1250/500 Mack CF

1982 CF611F12-2220 Richmond, Virginia VA E22 1250/500 Mack CF

1974 RICHMOND VA E1W 1000/500 Mack CF

1976 RICHMOND VA R31 1000/500 Mack CF

1982 RICHMOND VA R32 1250/500 Mack CF



(did E1P's rig become E1W? what were R31 and R32's original assignments?)[/quote]





Gime a day or two and I'll answer any and all, with corrections.

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Guest - 06-10-2009



Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - davemcclung - 06-10-2009

[quote name='Good2Go' post='312541' date='Jun 10 2009, 00:29 ']Man, this rig just made my day! So nice to 1. See it called a "Wagon" and 2. See it called "Wagon 52" instead of "Engine 202".....



We lose more tradition by the day...



Thanks for the great pic![/quote]





Tradition is great, however, I don't think you want to go up against a house fire filled with modern modern materials with horses, rubber hose, and buckets.......tradition is important but lets remember that time marches on and if you don't march with it, your screwed.

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - maxim - 06-10-2009

<img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shrug.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Shrug' /> Tascman



Is 1912 the Engine 5 that Ed Sasser owns (or owned)?

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - GA_Dave - 06-10-2009

Quote:Tradition is great, however, I don't think you want to go up against a house fire filled with modern modern materials with horses, rubber hose, and buckets.......tradition is important but lets remember that time marches on and if you don't march with it, your screwed.



I think you missed the point. I don't even think that tradition is the real issue. I believe the real issue is authority and the question of who truly has the authority. Tradition is the victim. Yes, time does march on and when it does, progress should march with it. I fail to see any progress here, just change. Change because an outside "authority" dictated that there be change. It was nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to the situation at the time. Suddenly there are a bunch of clowns scrambling to come up with a plan, because "HE" said so. Instead of developing a plan that works for everyone, they plagarize an existing plan that works in a small area of the country, then force it upon the rest of us. No testing phase, no input, just "Do as we say or the terrorists will kill us all". What a load! Terminology is not the same because the Fire Service is not the same. The Fire Service is territorial because WE are territorial. We are the United States of America. Fifty indivividual entities with common ideals that reserve the right to accomplish those ideals in our own 50 ways. Obviously the Feds have forgotten that part of the Constitution! Obviously the Feds don't have a clue what we firefighters do and how we do it. And that a water-carrying vehicle was called a TANKER way before the first helicopter was flown. And that an ENGINE and a WAGON and a PUMPER might not be the same thing. We use terms like LADDER, PLATFORM, TOWER, and SNORKEL because they have different capabilities, even though they are all "Truck Companies", but if I call for a Tower, don't send me a ^%%$#%^#% stick!!!



Now don't go taking this as an attack on you for saying what you said. It's directed at the politically correct masses in the Fire Service who follow those clowns like the sheep they are. The same folks who couldn't even listen to what Ray McCormack was saying any more than to know that it didn't fit into their politically correct world. Then they shun him like he's the devil himself. Yet another load!



Getting back to the post that started this whole thing....



I hear ya, Good2Go!

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - davemcclung - 06-10-2009

[quote name='GA_Dave' post='312676' date='Jun 10 2009, 19:40 ']I think you missed the point. I don't even think that tradition is the real issue. I believe the real issue is authority and the question of who truly has the authority. Tradition is the victim. Yes, time does march on and when it does, progress should march with it. I fail to see any progress here, just change. Change because an outside "authority" dictated that there be change. It was nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to the situation at the time. Suddenly there are a bunch of clowns scrambling to come up with a plan, because "HE" said so. Instead of developing a plan that works for everyone, they plagarize an existing plan that works in a small area of the country, then force it upon the rest of us. No testing phase, no input, just "Do as we say or the terrorists will kill us all". What a load! Terminology is not the same because the Fire Service is not the same. The Fire Service is territorial because WE are territorial. We are the United States of America. Fifty indivividual entities with common ideals that reserve the right to accomplish those ideals in our own 50 ways. Obviously the Feds have forgotten that part of the Constitution! Obviously the Feds don't have a clue what we firefighters do and how we do it. And that a water-carrying vehicle was called a TANKER way before the first helicopter was flown. And that an ENGINE and a WAGON and a PUMPER might not be the same thing. We use terms like LADDER, PLATFORM, TOWER, and SNORKEL because they have different capabilities, even though they are all "Truck Companies", but if I call for a Tower, don't send me a ^%%$#%^#% stick!!!



Now don't go taking this as an attack on you for saying what you said. It's directed at the politically correct masses in the Fire Service who follow those clowns like the sheep they are. The same folks who couldn't even listen to what Ray McCormack was saying any more than to know that it didn't fit into their politically correct world. Then they shun him like he's the devil himself. Yet another load!



Getting back to the post that started this whole thing....



I hear ya, Good2Go![/quote]



I hear your thoughts and respect that you have them.



My opinion is that standards and the COG numbering scheme in Northern Virginia and the SOPS that the Northern Virginia departments have worked together to create have allowed for a safer public, which is ultimatly why a fire service exists.

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Guest - 06-10-2009



Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Guest - 06-10-2009



Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - ShoreFire - 06-10-2009

Newport News, VA Ladder # 10 was this 1980 Seagrave rear-mount



Was this the one that was later transfered to NASA Langley?



Jerry, Taylor?

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Truckman - 06-11-2009



Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Guest - 06-11-2009

On 5/30/09 at 6p.m., we were lucky to catch Rouss FC of Winchester Ladder2 on its way for weekly "tests" out at the school at the interchange of RT37 and US50 West.

This is a 1992 Spartan/LTI 100'?, x-Elmont NY.

digital image by Warren Jenkins

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - drfeelgood - 06-11-2009

[quote name='Dave McClung' post='312686' date='Jun 10 2009, 21:14 ']I hear your thoughts and respect that you have them.



My opinion is that standards and the COG numbering scheme in Northern Virginia and the SOPS that the Northern Virginia departments have worked together to create have allowed for a safer public, which is ultimatly why a fire service exists.[/quote]



I can say that the COG terms brought back calling a Tower a Tower here in PWC which for almost 20 years anything with a ladder was called a Truck. A wise man once told me "Wagons are for hauling hay and Engines are for Firefighting!!!"



I always hated the Wagon Term because to be honest what it was traditionaly used for has changed ie the Hose is carried with a pump, water tank and etc.

Virginia apparatus - miscellaneous - Guest - 06-13-2009