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FDNY New pumpers......... - 1958 F.W.D. - 02-27-2012
NYC DOP has issued a RFP for approx 90+ pumpers for FDNY. 3 year contract for approx 50 the first year, 35 the second year and 5 the third year. Bidders in ascending order of cost were:
-KME
-Ferrara
-Seagrave.
Bid has not been awarded as of this time. Once again the 5 year contract is a sticking point.
FDNY New pumpers......... - hp1530 - 02-28-2012
Does anyone have a link to the RFP?
KME bidding for FDNY? Now that's something new.
FDNY New pumpers......... - Dickey - 02-28-2012
No Pierce?
FDNY New pumpers......... - Guest - 02-28-2012
No Pierce, FDNY will not accept aluminum cabs. No exceptions to the FDNY specs. The 5 year warranty terms are hard to deal with. As one of my friends who was at FDNY Fleet Services summed it up "we break it, you fix it."
FDNY New pumpers......... - Dickey - 02-28-2012
So they prefer steel vs. aluminum bodies then...they are stronger I think. The way FDNY wears out an engine I can understand that.
FDNY New pumpers......... - Guest - 02-28-2012
Stainless steel.
FDNY New pumpers......... - jim kay - 02-28-2012
Hopefully they go back with Seagrave or maybe KME might be ok, but get away from Ferrara....
FDNY New pumpers......... - fyrfoto - 02-28-2012
I think KME would be a scary proposition. I do not understand why any manufacturer would want to deal with FDNY, it is like playing russian roulette with the warranty requirements. Every manufacturer involved for any length of time seems to start circling the drain.
FDNY New pumpers......... - Roto-Ray - 02-28-2012
[quote name='Dickey' timestamp='1330411443' post='476137']
So they prefer steel vs. aluminum bodies then...they are stronger I think.
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Bodies AND cabs, which is a catch for a lot of manufacturers. Interestingly, though, the Seagrave cabs are using cold-rolled stainless steel cabs, which is a far lighter SS material than the 304L that's being used for body construction by most manufacturers.
FDNY New pumpers......... - Guest - 02-28-2012
Gee, just imagine if NO company would do the 5-yr. warranty!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jawdrop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> Then what could happen? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shrug.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> Guess they would be building their own apparatus. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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FDNY New pumpers......... - ff168577 - 02-28-2012
I know KME has had there issue's before, but I would much rather see KME then Ferrara in that city. I think a severe service would work well.
FDNY New pumpers......... - hp1530 - 02-28-2012
[quote name='fyrfoto' timestamp='1330448883' post='476149']
I think KME would be a scary proposition. I do not understand why any manufacturer would want to deal with FDNY, it is like playing russian roulette with the warranty requirements. Every manufacturer involved for any length of time seems to start circling the drain.
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I have noticed KME going after and getting contracts one after another lately especially with LAFD, LA County and Boston to name a few.
FDNY New pumpers......... - Dickey - 02-29-2012
I do not have any experience with KME...why the preference to something else? What are their issues?
FDNY New pumpers......... - ff168577 - 02-29-2012
[quote name='Dickey' timestamp='1330490834' post='476194']
I do not have any experience with KME...why the preference to something else? What are their issues?
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I personally like Seagrave, but if I had to choose between KME and Ferrara, I think KME is a better choice. Philly has used them for years, and they have held up. Boston just got a few, LA has used them for years, and has had no problem. I think KME has come along way over the years, and I think the quality of apparatus produced by them is amazing.
FDNY New pumpers......... - cml0774 - 02-29-2012
Seagrave bid $750,000Ferrara in the $600's KME $550,000
FDNY New pumpers......... - ACPD227 - 02-29-2012
Looks like they wont be seagraves for sure.
FDNY New pumpers......... - Guest - 02-29-2012
You pay for what ya get.........
FDNY New pumpers......... - johndanger - 02-29-2012
Warranty or not, 750k for a pumper is <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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FDNY New pumpers......... - KDWMAEMT - 02-29-2012
My guess is that Seagrave has learned thru years of contracts with FDNY, that the warranty requirements cost BIG MONEY. And because of that, the ballpark price per unit reflects what the actual cost is to them for those 5 years. Im interested in why such cost separation between the 3 if my guess is wrong.
FDNY New pumpers......... - Guest - 02-29-2012
I would not count Seagrave out at his point. FDNY goes thru these RFPs with a fine tooth comb. As mentioned before, there are no exceptions allowed. These engines will be expected to last for ten years on some of the roughest roads in the nation. They also have to fit into firehouses, some of which were designed for horse drawn steamers, while making thousands of runs a year.. I have seen the specs for FDNY engines in the past. they run approx 240 pages at least. Everything is spelled out...thickness of compartment sheet metal, wiring, labeling of wiring, frame rail thickness, certain components to be used. It is a performance spec, you must meet what is spelled out, not here is an engine we think will suit your needs. I think the manufacturers still have to bring a demo to the FDNY shops to be examined by FDNY mechanics who give their honest opinion on the piece