Relics

[BFD1151]

[quote name='Andrew2340' date='15 October 2010 - 08:48 AM' timestamp='1287145683' post='407325']

RELIC



19?? GMC/???

???/???



Andrew Messer Photo (2010)





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Andrew, this truck looks very similar (except it isn't pink) to the Dollywood truck featured in FAJ a few years back. I'm willing to bet its the same rig, just repainted. The caption for it said it was a 1952 GMC/Champion 500GPM front-mount pumper.

[Guest]

[quote name='Andrew2340' date='15 October 2010 - 08:46 AM' timestamp='1287145616' post='407324']

Franklin Twp, NC "X Engine"



1950something Seagrave 700 Series

???/???

S/N # ???

Possibly X: Charlotte, NC



Andrew Messer Photo (2010)





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Looks like a 1954

[1958 F.W.D.]

[quote name='BA000049' date='15 October 2010 - 07:57 AM' timestamp='1287142635' post='407305']

Randy,



Your kids must be stressing you out and you are not reading things correctly.



Originally from Chalfont - then went to Nancy Run.



Bruce

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Bruce, look at post 2918....Thats what made me say that. And it's not the kids, their MOTHER is stressing me out. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



By the way, Chalfont broke ground for the new station earlier this summer, I am doing many of the construction inspections. 99% of the block and steel work is done, roof should be complete by next week, interior work will commence any day now.

[BFD1151]

[quote name='1958 F.W.D.' date='15 October 2010 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1287155414' post='407357']

Bruce, look at post 2918....Thats what made me say that. And it's not the kids, their MOTHER is stressing me out. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



By the way, Chalfont broke ground for the new station earlier this summer, I am doing many of the construction inspections. 99% of the block and steel work is done, roof should be complete by next week, interior work will commence any day now.

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That may have been my fault when I initially posted that because the info I got from the database said Chalfont FC, Bethlehem Twp,PA. Keep in mind I do not live in PA, so I have no idea what company serves each township, borough, town, city, wide place in the road, etc.

[1958 F.W.D.]

[quote name='BFD1151' date='15 October 2010 - 11:51 AM' timestamp='1287156680' post='407360']

That may have been my fault when I initially posted that because the info I got from the database said Chalfont FC, Bethlehem Twp,PA. Keep in mind I do not live in PA, so I have no idea what company serves each township, borough, town, city, wide place in the road, etc.

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No biggie! Thats kinda what I figured, I was just making sure!!!!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[Pete Muller]

[quote name='Roto-Ray' date='14 October 2010 - 06:30 PM' timestamp='1287094252' post='407250']

Pete, thanks, I think I have it straight. See if this is correct:



301 is the white 1971 Mack CF pictured above, purchased by the county.

302 was a white 1972 Mack CF that was purchased by the volunteers. This was later repainted red-and-white, and then after that, refurbed and sent to PA (and now sits in my driveway).



So for about 10 years, there were two white Mack CF's running from Company 30, one county owned and one volunteer owned?

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The 1971 and 1972 Macks were delivered in white over red paint scheme, they were built off the same blueprints one year apart. The 1971 was rehabbed first and repainted in the County paint scheme sometime around 1979. This unit was the one owned by the County. The 1972 was rehabbed in house by the career personnel and painted by a truck painting company in Beltsville, Md, white with the red stripe and County Fire Patch on the door to match the 1971. The 1972 was repainted several years later in the all white paint scheme with a gold leaf trim. In the 1990's it was then sent to Pa for another rehab with the addition of the 4dr cab and was then painted white over red. When it returned it was then placed in service as the Water Supply Unit. During the years it ran as the Water Supply Unit Station 30 had the same type arrangement with two Seagrave Pumpers the Wagon Engine 301 was a 1990 County owned white with red stripe Seagrave 4dr and the Pumper then Engine 303 was a 1988? Seagrave 4dr Pumper purchased by the Volunteers. Engine 303 was painted red with a white top similar to the Water Supply Unit that you have.

[Andrew2340]

Micah, that yellow truck does look a lot like the Dollywood pink fire truck. I just wonder how it got all the way from Dollywood to Denver, NC. Can you email me the pic out of your FAJ magazine to compare? The only pic I could find doesn't show the front bumper.

[Engine2524]

[quote name='Andrew2340' date='15 October 2010 - 08:45 AM' timestamp='1287145507' post='407323']

Frank, NC "X 8201"



1950something Ford/American LaFrance/Homebuilt

????/?????

Reg. # ????



Andrew Messer Photo (2010)





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Andrew, this one is a 1962 or so.

[dcfdtech]

[quote name='Pete Muller' date='15 October 2010 - 11:21 PM' timestamp='1287198093' post='407383']

The 1971 and 1972 Macks were delivered in white over red paint scheme, they were built off the same blueprints one year apart. The 1971 was rehabbed first and repainted in the County paint scheme sometime around 1979. This unit was the one owned by the County. The 1972 was rehabbed in house by the career personnel and painted by a truck painting company in Beltsville, Md, white with the red stripe and County Fire Patch on the door to match the 1971. The 1972 was repainted several years later in the all white paint scheme with a gold leaf trim. In the 1990's it was then sent to Pa for another rehab with the addition of the 4dr cab and was then painted white over red. When it returned it was then placed in service as the Water Supply Unit. During the years it ran as the Water Supply Unit Station 30 had the same type arrangement with two Seagrave Pumpers the Wagon Engine 301 was a 1990 County owned white with red stripe Seagrave 4dr and the Pumper then Engine 303 was a 1988? Seagrave 4dr Pumper purchased by the Volunteers. Engine 303 was painted red with a white top similar to the Water Supply Unit that you have.

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Pete, I thought that Delmarva did the rehab of the 4 door cab?? I know it was done by Beaverbuilt but at Delmarva there in Easton,MD. For some reason I think it was done the same time as E113( Branchville's Pirsch). I may be wrong,but something about that sticks in my mind.

[Roto-Ray]

[quote name='dcfdtech' date='16 October 2010 - 10:22 PM' timestamp='1287280926' post='407482']

Pete, I thought that Delmarva did the rehab of the 4 door cab?? I know it was done by Beaverbuilt but at Delmarva there in Easton,MD. For some reason I think it was done the same time as E113( Branchville's Pirsch). I may be wrong,but something about that sticks in my mind.

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Correct, Beaverbilt/Delmarva did the cab and body on it.

[Roto-Ray]

[quote name='Pete Muller' date='15 October 2010 - 11:21 PM' timestamp='1287198093' post='407383']

The 1971 and 1972 Macks were delivered in white over red paint scheme, they were built off the same blueprints one year apart. The 1971 was rehabbed first and repainted in the County paint scheme sometime around 1979. This unit was the one owned by the County. The 1972 was rehabbed in house by the career personnel and painted by a truck painting company in Beltsville, Md, white with the red stripe and County Fire Patch on the door to match the 1971. The 1972 was repainted several years later in the all white paint scheme with a gold leaf trim. In the 1990's it was then sent to Pa for another rehab with the addition of the 4dr cab and was then painted white over red. When it returned it was then placed in service as the Water Supply Unit. During the years it ran as the Water Supply Unit Station 30 had the same type arrangement with two Seagrave Pumpers the Wagon Engine 301 was a 1990 County owned white with red stripe Seagrave 4dr and the Pumper then Engine 303 was a 1988? Seagrave 4dr Pumper purchased by the Volunteers. Engine 303 was painted red with a white top similar to the Water Supply Unit that you have.

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You're saying my Mack was delivered red-and-white, painted white, repainted red-and-white again, and then had the Delmarva rehab done? Something just doesn't make sense.



Take a look at this thread: [url="http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/index.php?showtopic=14763&st=0"]Ex Landover Hills Mack.[/url]

[Pete Muller]

[quote name='Roto-Ray' date='16 October 2010 - 11:24 PM' timestamp='1287284658' post='407498']

You're saying my Mack was delivered red-and-white, painted white, repainted red-and-white again, and then had the Delmarva rehab done? Something just doesn't make sense.



Take a look at this thread: [url="http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/index.php?showtopic=14763&st=0"]Ex Landover Hills Mack.[/url]

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The 1972 was delivered in white over red, to find a delivery photo of the unit look to see that it had one booster reel mounted directly over the pump. The deck gun was mounted on a plate behind the booster reel. The first rehab was done in house by the career personnel then painted all white with a red stripe same as the county apparatus with the county patch on the doors. The way to identify the career piece from the volunteer piece is to look at the word Landover Hills under the bucket window the volunteer piece had the leters VFD under the word Landover Hills. The second rehab involved repainting the unit all white with the gold leaf as you have in the Tom Shand photo. The third rehab it was painted white over red as the last photo shows. Yes it was rehabbed by Beaverbilt that is where the highside compartments were added and the bucket converted to a 4dr. It may have been sent to Pa for the second or third paint job that I am not sure of, Beaverbilt did the modifications after that.



To identify the changes made here are the progressions of the unit. It was delivered with the booster reel and it had hard sleeves mounted on the drivers side. Next the booster reel was removed and the deck gun plate moved to sit over the cross pulls and plumbed directly to the pump. After 1975 when the standard operating procedures for the county were changed most inner beltway engine companies started carring two standpipe packs. The orginial area for carring the standpipe pack was on a board over the 400ft 1 1/2 on the rear step (far right side of hose bed). To carry the second standpipe pack the engine was modified removing the hard sleeves and mounting the primary 1 1/2 standpipe pack over the rear wheels on the drivers side. The second standpipe pack a 200ft 2 inch with a smooth bore tip was carried on the board over the 400ft 1 1/2. Next the 35ft ladder was removed from the officers side and replaced by a 24ft ladder. The brackets were modified because the ladder was wider than the orginial 35ft. To make the room for the ladder the two pike poles and the folding ladder were moved to the drivers side over the standpipe pack. This is the way they are shown in the all white photo that you posted. The white over red photo below that is just before it was rebuilt by Beaverbilt. If you need more information just let me know.

[Rheems1]

[quote name='BFD1151' date='15 October 2010 - 11:51 AM' timestamp='1287156680' post='407360']

That may have been my fault when I initially posted that because the info I got from the database said Chalfont FC, Bethlehem Twp,PA. Keep in mind I do not live in PA, so I have no idea what company serves each township, borough, town, city, wide place in the road, etc.

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For not being from Pa, Micah seems to have the system down <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> ... all of us gave Andrew an education in the city, township and borough system.... when can I expect for you to make the trip up here so that we can educate you as well. I will gladly trade you one "Colors of Pa" Fire Apparatus Tour for a "Clemson University and all of the other stuff around it" Fire Apparatus Tour (said in the style of Wimpy from the Popeye cartoon) <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[GA_Dave]

I will gladly trade you one "Colors of Pa" Fire Apparatus Tour for a "Clemson University and all of the other stuff around it" Fire Apparatus Tour

Hey, can I get in on that??? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[BFD1151]

One of these days I'm gonna get up that way to shoot the state of color especially Lancaster, Bucks, & Dauphin counties. I may take you up on that offer sometime.

[Rheems1]

[quote name='GA_Dave' date='20 October 2010 - 11:02 AM' timestamp='1287585766' post='408020']

Hey, can I get in on that??? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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[quote name='BFD1151' date='20 October 2010 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1287587646' post='408022']

One of these days I'm gonna get up that way to shoot the state of color especially Lancaster, Bucks, & Dauphin counties. I may take you up on that offer sometime.

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Dave, anytime you want to come up and you want me to set something up please let me know... not that you need me.. you just call up these places and tell them that they are speaking to "The Great Dave Organ" and they will roll out the red carpet for you <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Micah, as you probably know I am from Lancaster County orignally and will gladly set up anything you want in that county or Dauphin County.... Bucks is a bit harder but I have probably enough friends out that way to get a base trip set up... A.J. DeAngelis (whose name I probably just butchered and for that I appologize) is the man for Bucks County. I can also set you up with anything from Franklin County (we have some nice colors here too) and will start working on Adams County. My offer for a house was just accepted so I am moving into Lake Meade, a gated community with it's own firehouse, so at least I can offer you apparatus from a gated community that can be tricky (the guards can be a real pain in the arm) in Adams County.. again lots of good colors in Adams County too (example posted below).

[GA_Dave]

not that you need me.. you just call up these places and tell them that they are speaking to "The Great Dave Organ" and they will roll out the red carpet for you

Funny guy! Usually, they drop the doors, cut off the lights and hide! I find that I have better luck when I sneak up on them. And it's even funnier that you post Irishtown. The rigs they had the first time I stopped there are all gone, replaced by newer stuff, NONE of which I have ever been able to photograph in the six or seven times I've tried. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[BA000049]

[quote name='GA_Dave' date='21 October 2010 - 05:19 PM' timestamp='1287694748' post='408197']

Funny guy! Usually, they drop the doors, cut off the lights and hide! I find that I have better luck when I sneak up on them. And it's even funnier that you post Irishtown. The rigs they had the first time I stopped there are all gone, replaced by newer stuff, NONE of which I have ever been able to photograph in the six or seven times I've tried. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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Dave,



That is because you most likely have Dan with you, and they don't have any KME's in there !



Have a great day.



Bruce

[Rheems1]

[quote name='GA_Dave' date='21 October 2010 - 05:19 PM' timestamp='1287694748' post='408197']

Funny guy! Usually, they drop the doors, cut off the lights and hide! I find that I have better luck when I sneak up on them. And it's even funnier that you post Irishtown. The rigs they had the first time I stopped there are all gone, replaced by newer stuff, NONE of which I have ever been able to photograph in the six or seven times I've tried. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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No problem on Irishtown, I have already started networking and have contacts at the following:



Lake Meade (of course)

Irishtown

United Fire (both stations)

Cashtown

Heidlersburg

Greenmount

Barlow

Southern Adams Volunteer Emergency Services (They found a way to make their initials read SAVES...what a touch-me fest!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> )



Working on new contacts every day, probably can't help with York Springs though... there are some...... "problems" there.

[rburke1959]

[quote name='dcfireman' date='25 September 2007 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1190735992' post='151173']



I suppose it says Sperryville, which was 12 miles north. Any information, anyone?

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The 1938 USA built at Fort Holibird Baltimore Md, was our 1st truck in service from 1947 to 1949 and after 4 years of discussion the owner finally agreed to let us return it to Sperryville. It just arrived this week. Rough shape but it was our 1st

Richie Burke

Chief

Sperryville VFD