Baltimore City Fire Department

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[quote name='firebuff55407' post='52819' date='Nov 22 2006, 00:54 ']I want to thank GADave for catching an error I made on post 121. Engine 47's WLF pumper was incorrectly identified as a 1964- it was a 1962 WLF #8009, the twin to 8008 in post 114. Baltimore did not have any 1964 Ward LaFrance pumpers. Both of the 1962 WLF pumpers should have been listed as 1000/300. My apologies again for the error.[/quote]



hawkins point, you need to chill out. I think firebuff55407 does not need to make apologies for any errors. He is taken alot of time to post and give information on every photo.



So what he is calling the Truck a LADDER co., It is a Ladder Truck.



I not trying to be a jerk about this to you hawkins point but, give the guy a break he has posted alot of stuff and I for one have enjoyed them very much.



firebuff55407, please keep up the good work and post away.



Sam Valencia

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Steve, you dont have to apologize to anyone for the slip of a keystroke. I have done it here, and sure enough some were really quick to jump on me. What you provide to us dedicated fire apparatus junkies can not be measured. Your posts of such great oldies from LA City, LA County, San Diego, and now Baltimore, are priceless. As I have stated before, what you bring to this hobby can not be measured. Most any adult that frequents this site, knows that the term Ladder and Truck are interchangable, and I am pretty sure your critic knew that when he posted. If HP wont apologize to you, I will. I am sorry you provide such wonderful historical information to us, and are critiqued in such an arrogant manner. Keep up the great work, and let us see some more. I want to thank you for all you do, I know its time consuming, and you do it out of the love of the hobby. Maybe as a gentleman, next time your critic could PM or Email you. Wonderful Stuff here Steve and its greatly appreciated. Keep it up. Rich

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I am in complete agreement with Sam. It takes some effort to post here and I for one am thankful to all who are willing to share their collections for our enjoyment.



Steve Skaar is very well known amongst fire apparatus historians and photographers. His information is always on the money. He may suffer from time to time with "fat fingers" as we all do.



I myself never nitpick, because A.) its inpolite and rude (B.) Because I may be wrong with my info or comments.



I do offer some correcting in a positive fashion on a rig that I may have more info on than the poster.



This Board is for my hobby - fire apparatus photography and fire buffing. I have enough bullpoop at work, so I don't need it here. If you all remember several months ago we went through a similar situation with the nitpicking and this resulted in a well respected member bailing out of the group.



Remember the golden rule that our mother's all taugh us: "If you can't say anything nice, than don't say anything at all".



So, before you all start to bust my cookies over what I have said, think about this....the above statements and thoughts are mine, you can agree or dis-agree with me all you want, but I am sharing because IMHO this petty nit picking and bullpoop needs to stop now or we will lose more valued members with their wealth of photos and information.

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[quote name='hawkins point' post='51944' date='Nov 18 2006, 22:08 ']There's probably more information in Willy Murray's book, The Unheralded Heroes but I'm too lazy to dig it out.[/quote]

<img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='<_<' /> The above quote should tell you all you need to know about Mr. HP...

It should be remembered that these slides were taken by Mr. Duane Troxel (who musta been one hell of a buff back in the day) and are being presented as a tribute by his friend; Mr. Skaar. I can only hope that should I pass unexpectedly like Mr. Troxel did, that some acquaintance of mine will take care of my collection in the same way. Since a large part of the members here weren't even born when these photos were taken, thanks to Steve Skaar for showing history as it was! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hail.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Warren Jenkins

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Steve,



thanks so much for sharing these photos of such beautiful apparatus from a time long before I started my interest in fire trucks. And don't care about this nitpicking guy.



Juergen

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[quote name='Dr. Stinebaugh' post='52867' date='Nov 22 2006, 12:06 ']<img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='<_<' /> The above quote should tell you all you need to know about Mr. HP...

It should be remembered that these slides were taken by Mr. Duane Troxel (who musta been one hell of a buff back in the day) and are being presented as a tribute by his friend; Mr. Skaar. I can only hope that should I pass unexpectedly like Mr. Troxel did, that some acquaintance of mine will take care of my collection in the same way. Since a large part of the members here weren't even born when these photos were taken, thanks to Steve Skaar for showing history as it was! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hail.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Warren Jenkins[/quote]





I think that these shots would make a GREAT NEXT ADDITION to the Unherold Heros! These are great and look like they start just about the time the book left off. Now getting these in a book would be a GREAT TRIBUTE!!!!

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Not to be maudlin, but my will states that if my son does not want the collection then it goes to the SPAAMFA archives. At least someone will get some good out of it.

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firebuff55407, keep doing your job. I have enjoyed them all so far and you're doing fine! I don't care if you make any mistakes, because the pictures are what are most important to me.

[John Kenealy]

I wonder what it would take to create a book of all of Duane's work?



Steve, continued thanks for taking the time and effort to share these fantastic photos with us.

[Operaone]

Steve; Its guys like you that make this board so great. Glad the nitpickers are in such a small minority. Dick Logan

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Does anyone wonder, why some of the Regular contributers have stopped posting pictures on this site. Ed created a great site that, in my mind has moved towards the kind of crap that is on Firehouse.com or the Watch Desk. Most of the main critics are people that do not post photos, but yet always seem to have a negative comment about something. There are a lot of new members on this board, that seem to have not read the rules and regulations. People post, or repost pictures that do not belong to them, or post the same rig a page after it has already been posted.



Those of you that do not post pictures of your own must not understand that work that Steve goes through to set up these topics. He has to search through a large collection of slides and then match the information to the photos. He has to scan every slide, which we know takes time. Even those of us that shoot digital have to process them. And to top it all off, he has to worry about putting the wrong information, or use the wrong terminology.



Now I know that everyone enjoys their hobby in different ways, and we all have the right to our opinion. But i for one, am really bored with all the self described experts out there.

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First of all I wish to thank you all for the very nice things you have said- especially about Duane and his love of his hobby. Sadly, Duane died 26 years ago today. But thankfully the love Duane had for his hobby lives on in the many thousands of images he has left for us all.



I thank you all for your much appreciated support. It means a lot to me to read such kind comments. I wouldn't be so hard on hawkins point. It is hard to read the emotion intended in a few printed words. I'm sure hawkinspoint meant well by correcting the errors I made. There are sure no hard feeling on my part.



The firepics site is such a wonderful means for all of us to share our profession, avocation, hobby, and/or common interest in the fire service and the fire rigs associated with it. My thanks to those responsible for this great site and to everyone who participates in each and every thread. I do my best to check out every single post.



I wish everyone on firepics a Wonderful Thanksgiving Holiday!



Now- to finish this thread: Duane didn't list any Baltimore deliveries in 1972. In 1973, Baltimoe received six ALF Pacemaker engines, an ALF elevating platform and a Mack MB/Swab Heavy Rescue. The first if the six ALF Pacemaker 1000/500 engines to arrive was assigned to Engine 21. It is ALF #PM12-3254 delivered in January of 1973 (from what I can tell, ALF only indicated the month & year on their apparatus nameplates during this period of time).

- 1973 Photo by Duane Troxel.

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In March of 1973 the remaining five 1973 ALF Pacemaker 1000/500 engines were delivered. Here is Engine 14's, ALF #PM12-3255.

- 1973 Photo by Duane Troxel.

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Here is Engine 7's 1973 ALF Pacemaker, ALF#PM12-3257, also delivered in March.

- 1973 Photo by Duane Troxel.

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Here is Engine 31 at the training tower, ALF #PM12-3259.

- 1973 Photo by Duane Troxel.

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Engine 24 was ALF #PM12-3258.

- 1973 Photo by Duane Troxel.

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The American LaFrance 85-foot aerial tower was delivered in August of 1973. It carried ALF #C12-3255 and was assigned to Water Tower 2. Duane took this photo of it in the fire apparatus parade.

- 1973 Photo by Duane Troxel.

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Here is a straight on side view Duane also took of it.

- 1973 Photo by Duane Troxel.

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The Heavy Rescue delivered was a 1973 Mack MB/Swab, Mack #MB685FC-1000, assigned to Rescue 1. I know Duane got a shot of it outdoors, but I can't locate the slide. Here is an indoor shot of it.

- 1973 Photo by Duane Troxel.

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Duane also took this transport-mode photo of the first of 18 1974 Seagrave 1000/500 pumpers. This one was lettered for Engine 1 and was sent early to be on display at the IAFC Convention.

- 1973 Photo by Duane Troxel.