History of the Atlanta Fire Dept.

[Roto-Ray]

[quote name='Shoe' timestamp='1313323732' post='452953']

Do you have any new info on the tele-squirt?

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Once retired from West Point, VA, it was sold to a Henrico County (VA) Firefighter, who sold it to a Henrico County Police Officer several months ago. The police officer (a long-time fire engine owner) is currently working on slowly refurbing it as money is available. He's had it on the road quite a bit.

[jim kay]

Looks like time to revisit Ol' Atlanta and dig up some new info.... I know a few things are underway with a few new apparatus deliveries and I hear a new Sta.28 is in the works..... Maybe Shoe can elaborate on some updates from the AFD...

[firescooby]

Yeah, I'm wondering how they like their KME's, We've got 32 we'd sell them for a great price!!

[chief60]

Scooby,



How many new engines are you looking to get with the bid that is out? It looks like Sutphen will be able to make a good run at getting the bid.

[dJames]

Look forward to seeing Atlanta updates! Havent been able to hit the city in awhile, but have been shooting some others. Hope to post my Savannah and other GA updates soon.

[firescooby]

[quote name='chief60' timestamp='1325002626' post='468825']

Scooby,



How many new engines are you looking to get with the bid that is out? It looks like Sutphen will be able to make a good run at getting the bid.

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One for this year, with an option for 3. We're also looking into the possibility of remounting engines (?!?!?!).



I REALLY hope that Sutphen is the winner!! We've had great service from them and they've been great trucks also!! We've got a 1991 engine that has a little over 250k miles. I'd take that truck over a 2004 FreightlinerAmerican Lafrance as a spare ANY day of the week!!

[Shoe]

[quote name='jim kay' timestamp='1324982992' post='468795']

Looks like time to revisit Ol' Atlanta and dig up some new info.... I know a few things are underway with a few new apparatus deliveries and I hear a new Sta.28 is in the works..... Maybe Shoe can elaborate on some updates from the AFD...

[/quote]

Hey guys: Sorry that it's been a while...

The KMEs have not been popular. It seems that 2 and 22 are always going to the shop. 11 seems to have had the bugs worked out. They are in the process of working out new bids. I'm hearing anywhere from 5 to 8 engines and 2 to 5 tillers.

Speaking of 11... Only 3 of the 6 bay doors actually work. The doors at that station have been a NIGHTMARE!!! The front door of the middle truck bay decided to come down while the truck was coming out. It busted the communications system off of the fromt of the dumpster of the tower. The engine has to run out of the rear of the truck's bay. The truck runs out of the engine bay because of the tight turn to come forward out of the rear of the middle bay. The mini-pumper has to cross the floor to come out of the rear of the truck bay as well. It's a mess!

Ground has been broken for the new #28. I hear that they let the Arborist permit expire (to cut the trees on the lot) and they have to start that process over. Sounds crazy but true. You have to have permission from the City of Atlanta to cut a tree for a Atlanta for a City of Atlanta project. Getting permits from the City of Atlanta to build a City of Atlanta Fire Station is a crazy process!

The search is on for a new lot for #22. The Five Year Plan calls for new stations in the Peachtree Battle area and Princeton Lakes (Camp Creek Pkwy) area. I think that they will eventually just move #23 North to cover Peachtree Battle. The neighborhood associations are trying to raise money to fix #23 up, but it doesn't seem to be going very well.

There is >$1 million available for station renovations. Word is that #7 will get at least half of that. We were told that when it is renovated (if?) that both EMS supervisors will move there until they can get an Engine #7 back in service. (Not looking forward to that!)

You may soon hear "SPRINT" units in service. This is something that Cochran did in Shreveport. It's an EMS first-responder unit. The current battle is if they will be ALS or BLS. The idea is to reduce the call volume of the busiest engine companies. Currently, I am hearing that they will be at 2 and 16. If they are BLS, it will be a waste of money, because you will still have to send an ALS engine with them.

It seems that I can remember a department somewhere that had BLS rescue units that were shut down because they were a waste of money because they weren't ALS and an engine still had to run with them in most cases. Oh! Yea! I remember, It was ATLANTA!

Regardess, if we don't get the 911 mess straightened out, we're wasting our time and money anyway. We are being told that there is an effort to get some input into APDs 911 system. Currently, AFRD had no representation in how we are dispatched. Supposedly... The new Assistant 911 Director will have to have some fire dispatching (not actual fire) experience. Let's hope for the best...

[Shoe]

[quote name='maxim' timestamp='1313335271' post='452976']

B/C Shoe



Is it my understanding that Truck 15 remained in service when Tower 11 was (re) established? And thanks for the down low on Ladder 14. I saw pictures of it and figured they relocated to Oakland city from 17

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Yes, Truck #15 is still in service in Midtown and Tower #11 is in Atlantic Station.

[Shoe]

[quote name='firebuff55407' timestamp='1180923794' post='115439']

Atlanta Engine 14, 1966 American LaFrance 1000/500, ALF # unknown.

- 1984 Photo by Steve Skaar

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As far as I know, this was the only 900 Series LaF that Atlanta ever owned. Anyone know of any others?

[Shoe]

[quote name='firebuff55407' timestamp='1180929276' post='115500']

Atlanta Crash Engine 35, 1972 American LaFrance 1000/1000, ALF #C-13-3305.

- 1984 Photo by Steve Skaar

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Whoops! Looks like they had a 900 at the Airport too...

[GA_Dave]

Engine 14's 1968 ALF 900 was originally Engine 6. It was wrecked and the cab replaced in 1978, before being assigned to E-14. There was also a pair of open-cab 1961 900's that were originally assigned to Engines 5 and 8, later serving Engines 15 and 38.

[GA_Dave]

[quote name='Shoe' timestamp='1327674825' post='472651']

Whoops! Looks like they had a 900 at the Airport too...

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Yellow 6 was a 1000 Series, not a 900 Series. I had to go back and check the pic myself! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/doh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[firescooby]

WHAT??? Problems with KME???



We got about 33 we'll sell y'all!!



[quote name='Shoe' timestamp='1327672919' post='472648']

Hey guys: Sorry that it's been a while...

The KMEs have not been popular. It seems that 2 and 22 are always going to the shop. 11 seems to have had the bugs worked out. They are in the process of working out new bids. I'm hearing anywhere from 5 to 8 engines and 2 to 5 tillers.

Speaking of 11... Only 3 of the 6 bay doors actually work. The doors at that station have been a NIGHTMARE!!! The front door of the middle truck bay decided to come down while the truck was coming out. It busted the communications system off of the fromt of the dumpster of the tower. The engine has to run out of the rear of the truck's bay. The truck runs out of the engine bay because of the tight turn to come forward out of the rear of the middle bay. The mini-pumper has to cross the floor to come out of the rear of the truck bay as well. It's a mess!

Ground has been broken for the new #28. I hear that they let the Arborist permit expire (to cut the trees on the lot) and they have to start that process over. Sounds crazy but true. You have to have permission from the City of Atlanta to cut a tree for a Atlanta for a City of Atlanta project. Getting permits from the City of Atlanta to build a City of Atlanta Fire Station is a crazy process!

The search is on for a new lot for #22. The Five Year Plan calls for new stations in the Peachtree Battle area and Princeton Lakes (Camp Creek Pkwy) area. I think that they will eventually just move #23 North to cover Peachtree Battle. The neighborhood associations are trying to raise money to fix #23 up, but it doesn't seem to be going very well.

There is >$1 million available for station renovations. Word is that #7 will get at least half of that. We were told that when it is renovated (if?) that both EMS supervisors will move there until they can get an Engine #7 back in service. (Not looking forward to that!)

You may soon hear "SPRINT" units in service. This is something that Cochran did in Shreveport. It's an EMS first-responder unit. The current battle is if they will be ALS or BLS. The idea is to reduce the call volume of the busiest engine companies. Currently, I am hearing that they will be at 2 and 16. If they are BLS, it will be a waste of money, because you will still have to send an ALS engine with them.

It seems that I can remember a department somewhere that had BLS rescue units that were shut down because they were a waste of money because they weren't ALS and an engine still had to run with them in most cases. Oh! Yea! I remember, It was ATLANTA!

Regardess, if we don't get the 911 mess straightened out, we're wasting our time and money anyway. We are being told that there is an effort to get some input into APDs 911 system. Currently, AFRD had no representation in how we are dispatched. Supposedly... The new Assistant 911 Director will have to have some fire dispatching (not actual fire) experience. Let's hope for the best...

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[jim kay]

Good info Shoe..... Thanks for the updates !!

[maxim]

I believe E-6 and E-11 had 1966 900 series ALF. That is what they were running when I hit Atlanta in 1976. 6 was white over red and 11 was totally red. Ah those were the days Buddy Rice and E.O <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> . McDonnel

[Shoe]

[quote name='GA_Dave' timestamp='1327675541' post='472654']

Engine 14's 1968 ALF 900 was originally Engine 6. It was wrecked and the cab replaced in 1978, before being assigned to E-14. There was also a pair of open-cab 1961 900's that were originally assigned to Engines 5 and 8, later serving Engines 15 and 38.

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WOW! Does anyone have any pictures? I'd love to see them.

[jim kay]

Shoe



Any new updates on apparatus or stations for Atlanta FD, trying to update maps and info.... for my books...

[chief60]

Any updates on their apparatus order? I know they were requesting up to 8 engines and 4 ladders?

[e290l103]

I have this.



1960 R08172 8-1-8172 Atlanta, Georgia GA 750/1500/200 6x6 CFR 10-31-60 American La France

1961 R08610 8-1-8610 Atlanta, Georgia GA 1500/500 915PNO 9-30-61 American La France

1961 R08610 8-2-8610 Atlanta, Georgia GA 1500/500 915PNO 9-30-61 American La France



1967 473 2-1-473 Atlanta, Georgia GA 1000/500 4-11-67 Ford/American La France

1969 1336 12-1-1336 Atlanta, Georgia GA 1500/500 Spartan 1-3-69 American La France

1968 1337 12-1-1337 Atlanta, Georgia GA 1500/500 Spartan 12-28-68 American La France

[GA_Dave]

I have several updated photos of Atlanta rigs. I don't think any of these have been posted in this thread.



Truck 43

2009 Pierce Arrow XT

2000/390/30F/85'

#22357-02