Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire

[npfd801]

 With this being said and its considered a Smeal chassis can they even get a Spartan chassis any more. I thought that Spartan would not sell to any MFG that has their own Chassis. 

I think since Smeal sells a "badge engineered" Spartan chassis, Spartan still supplies them.  I also think Spartan took a substantial hit to their production when they cut off Rosenbauer, and learned a lesson in the process.

[JakeF]

I wonder how serious Spartan is about not selling to Rosenbauer considering Ft. Worth got 3 or 4 this year.

[Roto-Ray]

I wonder how serious Spartan is about not selling to Rosenbauer considering Ft. Worth got 3 or 4 this year.

 

Very serious. Last year, Rosenbauer lost what was going to be a very lucrative deal because the customer insisted that it must be a Spartan chassis, and in the 11th hour, Spartan declined to sell to Rosenbauer (again).  In the end, both parties lost out on the deal...

[JakeF]

Ft. Worth received 3 Spartan/Rosenbauers in September with 4 more supposed to be here any day now.


Any idea how?

[npfd801]

Ft. Worth received 3 Spartan/Rosenbauers in September with 4 more supposed to be here any day now.


Any idea how?

Existing long term contracts I believe were honored by Spartan, i.e. multi year, multi rig orders.

[willman940]

Anything ordered before X date (February 28th comes to mind) would still be delivered.

[Guest]

Some recent Pittsburgh Photos.  The City now has 13 of these Spartan/Spencer pumpers in service, with the most recent (2) 2015 Models being assigned to Engines 3, and 19.  Engine 3's KME was reassigned to Engine 24 after theirs was in an accident, and most likely totaled. 

 

 



 



 



 

[Guest]

The City recently placed (2) 2015 Pierce Arrow XT Ladders in service at Truck 4, and 32.  Truck 32's 2007 Seagrave will be reassigned to Truck 30, while Truck 4's 2006 Seagrave will go into reserve.

 

 

[Guest]

The City purchased in 2005 (4) HME Toyne pumpers.  (2) are currently still at their original assignments at Engine 6, and 26, while the other two were reassigned to Engines 31, and 34.  The City recently purchased (5) 2008 KME engines which previously served San Diego, CA.  Rumor has it that they will replace all of the HME/Toyne engines.  I was able to get a couple grab shots down at the City shops. 

 



 



 

[Guest]

The City had been deadlining a good deal of apparatus also with replacements arriving.  The (2) E\-One 110' RM's that served Fairfax County, VA. previously are either gone or currently being auctioned.  A 1990 Pierce that formerly served Engine 31, and a 1986 Pierce that formerly served Engine 13 were awaiting disposal also.  The City recently purchased a 1994 Spartan/Marion from Spring Twp. in Berks County to run as Rescue 3, which is a reserve.  With that purchase both of the 2000 FL/ALF rescues that were assigned to Rescue 1 and Rescue 2 are being disposed of.

 



 

[JBridge565]

Nice, thanks for the updates!

[DaveYoung]

Yes, thanks for those comprehensive updates. That's good information.

[willman940]

Will they replace the officer seat with an SCBA seat, as those rigs stand the officers SCBA is in then officers number 2 compartment.

[Guest]

I was told there were a lot of changes that needed made before the San Diego rigs could enter service, but they didn't go into detail.

[Guest]

OK, so it looks like someone is trying to do their best to upgrade the fleet here but why? 

 

In that I mean did some rigs just deteriorate prematurely, or is this a case of purchases being needed but not fulfilled in the past?

 

I mean 10 year old rigs going the way of the Dodo, and being replaced by 7 year old units that I'm sure have just as many miles/ hours on

them is telling I think, but don't know for sure.  It seems they have taken deliver of quite a bit of apparatus in the past 4-5 years so I don't

think it's putting off orders, but that could an illusion as many more were needed than ordered.  Seems like there could be many things at

play here, and being from Detroit I've seen it all and would be curious to hear what's really happening here.

 

Kris

[FireMedic049]

OK, so it looks like someone is trying to do their best to upgrade the fleet here but why? 

 

In that I mean did some rigs just deteriorate prematurely, or is this a case of purchases being needed but not fulfilled in the past?

 

I mean 10 year old rigs going the way of the Dodo, and being replaced by 7 year old units that I'm sure have just as many miles/ hours on

them is telling I think, but don't know for sure.  It seems they have taken deliver of quite a bit of apparatus in the past 4-5 years so I don't

think it's putting off orders, but that could an illusion as many more were needed than ordered.  Seems like there could be many things at

play here, and being from Detroit I've seen it all and would be curious to hear what's really happening here.

 

Kris

As I understand it, the San Diego rigs were purchased primarily to improve the quality of units in the reserve pool.  They've done the same thing in the past purchasing 2 rearmount ladders from Fairfax County and if I'm not mistaken, a couple of local used VFD engines too.

 

PBF has made significant strides in updating their frontline fleet over the past 5-10 years.  With the most recent assignments, I'm pretty sure all of the companies are now in frontline units that are 10 years old or less, many are 5 or less. The need for buying some units for the reserve pool can be traced back to inadequate replacement in the past.  That was certainly the case with the aerials as many were disposed of instead of moving to reserve duty with the arrival of new aerials.  The City went through some pretty rocky financial times a decade or two ago and apparatus replacement appeared to be one of the many areas that was neglected as a result.

 

Although the age/mileage may be similar, the environments in which these units operated are very different.  The winters in this area can be partiuclarly harsh on the longevity of vehicle bodies as compared to the relatively mild conditions that exist in southern California.  If the Toynes didn't hold up well, it may be more cost effective to get rid of them and use the San Diego rigs instead until additional new units can be purchased.

[atlanticfiretrucks]

Hey Pat,

 

Would you have a current apparatus roster (including spares and reserves) for Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire???

[jquest6368]

I would also love to see a current roster - if available.

[Guest]

This is my current roster, but is not 100% up to date, as I have not confirmed a couple things. 

 

Station 3

Engine 3 - 2015 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

MAC 1 - 2009 IHC/KME

MAC 2 - 1992 IHC/Sabre

 

Station 4

Engine 4 - 2013 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

Truck 4 - 2015 Pierce 105'

Decon 2 - 2006 GMC/Pierce

 

Station 6

Engine 6 - 2005 HME/Toyne 1500/500

Truck 6 - 2008 Pierce 105'

 

Station 7

Engine 7 - 2007 KME 2000/500/25

 

Station 8

Engine 8 - 2013 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

Truck 8 - 2009 Pierce 105'

Batt. 3 - ? Chevrolet

 

Station 10

Engine 10 - 2011 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

 

Station 12

Engine 12 - 2011 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

 

Station 13

Engine 13 - 2008 KME 2000/500/25

Truck 13 - 2008 Pierce 105'

 

Station 14

Truck 14 - 2007 Seagrave 100'

Batt. 2 - ? Chevrolet

 

Station 15

Engine 15 - 2008 KME 2000/500/25

 

Station 16

Engine 16 - 2011 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25 - Originally delived lettered for Engine 8, moved to Engine 16 to fulfull a federal grant.

 

Station 17

Engine 17 - 2013 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

Truck 17 - 2009 Pierce 105'

 

Station 18

Engine 18 - 2007 Pierce 2000/470/30/75'

 

Station 19

Engine 19 - 2015 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

 

Station 20

Engine 20 - 2001 Spartan/ALF 1500/500 - X-Engine 32, and Engine 28.

 

Station 22

Engine 22 - 2013 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

 

Station 23

Engine 23 - 2009 Pierce 2000/470/30/75'

Command 200 - 2007 Pierce/LDV

 

Station 24

Engine 24 - 2008 KME 2000/500/25 - X-Engine 3

Truck 24 - 2009 Pierce 105'

Batt 4 - ? Chevrolet

 

Station 26

Engine 26 - 2008 KME 1500/500/40 - X-San Diego, CA.

Truck 26 - 2009 Pierce 105'

 

Station 27

Engine 27 - 2008 Pierce 2000/470/30/75'

 

Station 28

Engine 28 - 2013 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

 

Station 29

Engine 29 - 2013 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

Decon 3 - 2006 GMC/Pierce

 

Station 30

Engine 30 - 2013 Spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

Truck 30 - 2007 Seagrave 100' - X-Truck 32

 

Station 31

Engine 31 - 2008 KME 1500/500/40 - X-San Diego, CA.

 

Station 32

Engine 32 - 2013 spartan/Spencer 2000/500/25

Truck 32 - 2015 Pierce 105'

Spill 1 - 2006 GMC/Pierce

 

Station 33

Truck 33 - 2008 Pierce 105' - X-Truck 26, and Truck 34.

Decon 1 - 2006 GMC/Pierce

 

Station 34

Engine 34 - 2005 HME/toyne 1500/500 - X-Engine 10

 

Station 35

Engine 35 - 2007 KME 2000/500/25

 

Station 37

Engine 37 - 2009 KME 2000/500/25

Foam 37 - 1989/2012 Pierce 1500/300/700/55'

Batt 1 - ? Chevrolet

 

Station 38

Engine 38 - 2009 KME 2000/500/25

 

Reserves:

X1 - 1984/92 Pierce 1500/500 - X-Forest Hills, PA.

X2 - 2001 Spartan/ALF 1500/500 - X-Engine 24, and Engine 29

X3 - 1990 Pierce 1750/500 - X-Engine 37

X4 - 2002 Spartan/ALF 1500/50 - X-Engine 4

X6 - 1991 Pierce 1250/750 - X-Sewickley, PA.

X8 - 1990 Pierce 1750/500 - X-Engine 38

X9 - 2002 Spartan/ALF 1500/500 - X-Engine 22

X10 - 2001 Spartan/ALF 1500/500 - X-Engine 30

X17 - 2002 Spartan/ALF 1500/500 - X-Engine 17

? - 1997 Spartan/3D - X-Engine 3 and Engine 35

? - 1997 Spartan/3D - X-Engine 11 and Engine 34

? - 2005 HME/Toyne 1500/500 - X-Engine 26

? - 2005 HME/Toyne 1500/500 - X-Engine 8 and Engine 31

? - 2007 KME 2000/500/25 - X-Engine 24 - Involved in accident, unknown if totaled

? - 2008 KME 1500/500/40 - X-San Diego, CA.

? - 2008 KME 1500/500/40 - X-San Diego, CA.

? - 2008 KME 1500/500/40 - X-San Diego, CA.

A4 - 1996 HME/Ferrara/R&K 109' - X-Truck 24

A32 - 1996 HME/Ferrara/R&K 109' - X-Truck 32

? - 2006 Seagrave 100' - X-Truck 4

[atlanticfiretrucks]

Does PBF still run the 2006 Pierce Lance Hazmat truck?