Quote:Well one thing is for sure the Pierce and KME rigs wont last as long as the Seagrave rigs have.
and you know that how?
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 and you know that how? Quote:Why did they go kme?Maybe they were the lowest bid?
I can say this. If you have a talented and caring in-house shop with a set-in-stone preventative maintenance program...and they are not beat to h### on the "mean" streets...Seagraves should easily be able to run the 25 year NFPA service life and even longer. LA City sees plenty of fire duty and theirs lasted forever, before they switched (low bid...I assume). I understand FDNY is a different animal, but they are the exception. We still have a 1992 model in frontline service, making well over 1,000 runs a year...and when its replaced next year, I bet it runs as a reserve up to and maybe past 35 years old. Just saying...
 But, I'll admit this...with all the new crap required in engines and forced on us by the NFPA...it will definitely be harder to get a new rig to last that long from here out. Kent Parrish Louisville, KY
Kent:
Is it NFPA or the EPA forcing the engine modifications that are coming out of the Cat, Cummins & Detroit engine shops.
Stephen Taylor
Retired Volunteer Firefighter Retired Career Fire Dispatcher Yarmouth Fire Department Yarmouth, N.S. Canada
EPA is certainly the engine stuff. Without starting WWIII, by NFPA, I meant all the other stuff (most of which truthfully is meant to improve safety) that end up being the gremlins that plague some newer apparatus.
Kent Parrish Louisville, KY
Okay thanks
Stephen Taylor
Retired Volunteer Firefighter Retired Career Fire Dispatcher Yarmouth Fire Department Yarmouth, N.S. Canada 
Just throwing my two cents in - the NFPA is not a regulatory agency. They are merely making recommendations. Now, "most" agencies try to follow those recommendations, but are not held to following them strictly.
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