St. Louis Metro

[Guest]

Here is H&L 17's 1968 Seagrave 100-foot TDA, Seagrave #R4377, StLFD #150 delivered on 5/24/68.



- 1968 Photo by Duane Troxel

[Guest]

Rescue Squad 1 also received this 1968 Seagrave/Welch heavy rescue, Seagrave #R4404, deliverd on 5/2/1968.



- 1976 Photo by Duane Troxel

[Guest]

I don't show any St. Louis FD fire apparatus deliveries in either 1969 or 1970.



In 1971 the deparment purchased two Seagrave pumpers as follows:

R475x StLFD #??? E25 1971 Seagrave Canopy CF 1500/500

R4754 StLFD #174 E9 6/10/1971 1971 Seagrave Canopy CF 1500/500



Here is Engine 9's 1971 pumper.



- 1976 Photo by Duane Troxel

[Guest]

Here is Engine 25's 1971 Seagrave 1500/500 pumper.



- 1976 Photo by Steve Skaar

[Guest]

Also in 1971 the department received this Seagrave/Pittman 85-foot Snorkel, Seagrave #B74095, StLFD #65, which was assigned as Snorkel 6.



- 1976 Photo by Duane Troxel

[GA_Dave]

Also in 1971 the department received this Seagrave/Pittman 85-foot Snorkel

Like the 1963 FWD/Pitman Snorkel, this one also had Pierce bodywork.

[Guest]

In 1972 the department put this 1972 Mack CF 1500/500 pumper, Mack #CF608F10-1159, which was delivered on 12/4/1971.



- 1976 Photo by Duane Troxel

[Guest]

Duane took this photo in the shps of a brand new 1976 American LaFrance 1500/500 pumper, ALF CE-14-5259, which was lettered for Engine 2.



- 1976 Photo by Duane Troxel

[Guest]

Tomorrow night I'll finish off with Duane's photos from his 1976 trip with the Airport Crash trucks at Station 44, some Chiefs Buggies and some miscellaneous apparatus photos.

[mack505]

[quote name='firebuff55407' post='134419' date='Jul 28 2007, 20:13 ']Here is H&L 12's 1968 ALF 100' MM in quarters, ALF #5-1-1147, StLFD #165.



- 1976 Photo by Duane Troxel[/quote]

Steve,



That has to be the COOLEST indoor shot I've ever seen. I'd guess it's the shops, though, not a station. If not, that's a very interesting wheel chock. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[Guest]

[quote name='Mack505' post='134487' date='Jul 28 2007, 20:58 ']Steve,



That has to be the COOLEST indoor shot I've ever seen. I'd guess it's the shops, though, not a station. If not, that's a very interesting wheel chock. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />[/quote]



Mack505- You are absolutely correct, that shot was taken in the StLFD shops. If I would have looked at a full size photo before posting I would have noticed that.

[Guest]

[quote name='GA_Dave' post='134450' date='Jul 28 2007, 19:52 ']Like the 1963 FWD/Pitman Snorkel, this one also had Pierce bodywork.[/quote]



Thanks for the additional info Dave. I'll update my records on those two pieces.

[Guest]

I didn't know they used the Mack R models, any idea how long they lasted?

[e290l103]

pm.

[Guest]

You got to like those old R model pumpers. They are a tough truck. We know they can take a beating, just look how much of a beating they took when Newark had all those R models. They were really good examples of simplicity at it's best when it came to firetrucks.



Steve, Is that the only CF Mack that St. Louis ever had? That and how many ladder companys did they have back 1976? Great stuff as always Steve.



Andy

[Guest]

CORRECTIONS: I need to correct some things that were pointed out to me by FDNYTRUCKS.com



The 1972 Mack pumper was a 1000 GPM model (as indicated by Mack Serial #CF608F10-1159)

, not a 1500 GPM model as I posted.



The serial number on Engine 25's Seagrave was R4753



The 1968 Mack R-model pumpers serial numbers were wrong. Here are the correct serial numbers:

R608F10-1004 E25 4/3/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1005 E28 5/27/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1006 E32 5/8/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1007 E2 5/18/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1008 E13 5/5/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1009 E30 6/7/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1010 E10 5/22/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1011 E7 5/21/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1012 E29 5/31/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1013 E21 6/12/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1014 E18 5/24/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400

R608F10-1015 E15 5/16/1968 1968 Mack R Coupe 1000/400



I copied them from an Excel spreadsheet of St. Louis apparatus where I typed in the first number wrong (with an "M" denoting Mack and forgot the "0" in "608" and when I dragged the first cell down all the other cells serial numbers were similarly wrong.



Thank you for the corrections FDNYTRUCKS.COM

[Guest]

[quote name='navyfire72' post='134642' date='Jul 29 2007, 09:42 ']You got to like those old R model pumpers. They are a tough truck. We know they can take a beating, just look how much of a beating they took when Newark had all those R models. They were really good examples of simplicity at it's best when it came to firetrucks.



Steve, Is that the only CF Mack that St. Louis ever had? That and how many ladder companys did they have back 1976? Great stuff as always Steve.



Andy[/quote]



One of the St. Louis buffs will have to answer exactly how long the Mack R models lasted. I do have a 1986 St. Louis apparatus roster that only lists seven Mack R models still in first-line service at Engines 12, 19, 22, 23, 27, 31 and 34. There were five in Reserve status in 1986.



I believe that was the only Mack CF pumper St. Louis ever owned. The did receive a 1981 Mack CF squad built by EVI. Remember that in 1977 St. Louis received a huge order (21) of white/slime-colored Howe pumpers.



St. Louis had 18 Hook and Ladder trucks in 1976, down from 23 in 1965. Duane listed 38 engines in 1976, 1-38 + 44 (with Engine 33 missing from his records). This was down from 44 engines in 1965.

[Guest]

I really like this topic. I wish I could have been around back then to see StLFD with all of that equipment. Now they only have 30 engines (Quints) and 4 H&L's, running from 30 stations.

[Ladder 68]

Are you sure that they didn't recieve 2 of '80 Mack CF/EVF rescues for Rescue Squad Co. 01 and Rescue Squad Co. 02?



Again you have provided a great thread and wonderful photos and an even better history.



Thanks.

[Guest]

[quote name='Ladder 68' post='134666' date='Jul 29 2007, 12:07 ']Are you sure that they didn't recieve 2 of '80 Mack CF/EVF rescues for Rescue Squad Co. 01 and Rescue Squad Co. 02?



Again you have provided a great thread and wonderful photos and an even better history.



Thanks.[/quote]

I think they may have had two. I know up until 2 or so years ago, one of them was still used as a HazMat Decon rig. It had definately seen better days,the last time I saw it.