Memphis Fire Dept

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Having studied the pictures a little more closely, I do not the area over the speedlays if for additional lines. It certainly looks like it would be for hose storage, but maybe it is for just that - dead loads of hose storage that is not preconnected. Pull what you need, bust it, and hook it up.



I say this because when looking at the pump panel, all of the discharges are color coded. I can account for all of the colors with discharges I can see in various pictures with the exception of the front bumper line which I assume would be purple. Additionally, there are not colored tabs associating that area with corresponding levers on the pump.



I will still see what I can find out.

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[quote name='Firestone366' post='184881' date='Jan 28 2008, 23:37 ']The new pumpers look great. I see one is marked E60. Where will this company go?[/quote]



As Nozzleman said, Engine 60 rides out of Station 55. It went into service on 12-31-2006 with the annexation of some area in Southeast Shelby County. They are slated to have a new station built in the near future, just not sure how near. Also as Nozzleman said, it is a full house: Engine 55, Engine 60, Truck 27, Unit 27, and County Engine 63. The county engine is dispatched by the County Fire Department. I'm not sure if they have pagers that they are dispatched from or what. We don't have anything to do with dispatching them out of our station.



Also, Truck 29 and Unit 33 are "annexation" equipment. They ride out of the 52s. Truck 29 is the old Snorkel 13.

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[quote name='firedog120' post='184990' date='Jan 29 2008, 13:49 ']As Nozzleman said, Engine 60 rides out of Station 55. It went into service on 12-31-2006 with the annexation of some area in Southeast Shelby County. They are slated to have a new station built in the near future, just not sure how near. Also as Nozzleman said, it is a full house: Engine 55, Engine 60, Truck 27, Unit 27, and County Engine 63. The county engine is dispatched by the County Fire Department. I'm not sure if they have pagers that they are dispatched from or what. We don't have anything to do with dispatching them out of our station.



Also, Truck 29 and Unit 33 are "annexation" equipment. They ride out of the 52s. Truck 29 is the old Snorkel 13.[/quote]





I was told they are dispatched by the ZETRON like all the other SCFD stations . The guy I talked with said it can be real interesting with both the MFD and SCFD are getting dispatched on runs at the same time!!!

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Very nice looking engines for MFD. Or should I say FDM now? Why the change to Fire Department of Memphis?

[Truckman]

[quote name='SLCPDEXPLORER' post='185008' date='Jan 29 2008, 17:02 ']Very nice looking engines for MFD. Or should I say FDM now? Why the change to Fire Department of Memphis?[/quote]





Its been that since I can remember and that is about 50 years. Look at firebuff55407's thread on Memphis apparatus in 1973 and you can see that they were marked like that.

[Truckman]

[quote name='MemphisE34a' post='184804' date='Jan 28 2008, 21:00 ']I would have to sit down and really look at the spec, but I can't help but believe that we could get the hose bed lower. These are MUCH better than the last batch of E\-One's, but I think we could get them even lower. Putting the ladders on a rack instead of through the rear would probably allow that to happen. [color="#0000FF"]Need to have an hydraulic ladder rack in right side.[/color]



If I had my way, I would do away with crosslays and put the pre-connects coming off of the back. That would most likely make the pumpers pull past the house on fire and park where they are supposed to. As is, Drivers try to line the crosslays up with the front door. [color="#0000FF"]Dump the cross lays and have the attacked lines coming from the rear. Drivers need to pull past the fire give the front of the incident to the Truck. Plus the hose doesn't get in the operators way while they are pumping.[/color]





As long as they are plumbing the front bumper, I would run it with 2 1/2" pipe and end it with a gated wye. The labor would be the same and the material cost would not be that much more. The discharge would count as a 250 gpm discharge for ISO and if you ever needed 2 lines or a 2 1/2" off of the front, you would have that option. [color="#0000FF"]Agree with the 2-1/2 better flow and always can be reduced.[/color]



I would have spec'ed a deck gun that is usable 360 degrees around the apparatus. A simple pin in 18" extension pipe would do the trick. [color="#0000FF"]Yep need a deck pipe plumbed from the pump for 360 degree operation. Portable deck pipe don't cut it.[/color]



[color="#0000FF"]I like the new lettering on both cab doors!! I just wondered why the "E" in front of the company number on the rear side compartments? Every one all ready knows it is a Engine![/color]



I would not have paid for the cab mounted water level lights. Sure their nice if your on a volunteer department and have your only 2 or 3 guys inside that need to be able to tell from the house how much water they have left, but that will NEVER happen here. We always have a pump operator. I am sure I could have found something else to use with that money, like a real siren. [color="#0000FF"]Memphis doesn't need the tank level lights. Cost of that could have been used for something better.[/color] [color="#0000FF"]Put a Q siren on the front bumber!! [/color]



I would eliminate the "NightFighter" and halogen rear deck lights and gone with (4) pole mounted HID lights.



I would have included a brow light. [color="#0000FF"]A real need for pumpers now days.[/color]



I like the booster up top and the extra compartment in the rear. [color="#0000FF"]Good idea. Booster line on right side of pumper and leave the rear compartment for other tools.[/color]



Not sure how the standard west coast mirrors are going to work out. They are certainly less expensive, but riding on R3 yesterday the Driver told me the passenger side mirror might as well be non-existent.



[color="#0000FF"]Heated bus mirrors are far better than the standard west coast style. [/color]



Bear in mind, I do not know where the money cap was. Many of these items could have been discussed and not purchased due to that cap. I am sure they did the best they could with what they had to work with. As stated, as long as these hold up, they should be hands down the best pumpers in the fleet. [color="#0000FF"]Money cap and the powers to be have a BIG say in spec's and the bid process. A good dealer can work with you too, not saying that yours didn't. Installing an "L" shape water tank would give you a lower hose bed. [/color]





Again, KUDOS to the apparatus committee and retired Lt. Jeff Kuntz who is now the local Pierce dealer.[/quote]





[color="#0000FF"]They look very nice. Memphis and the members should be proud to have these new rides. Maybe the 34's can manage to get in on the second bunch!!![/color]

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[quote name='Truckman' post='185009' date='Jan 29 2008, 16:10 ']Its been that since I can remember and that is about 50 years. Look at firebuff55407's thread on Memphis apparatus in 1973 and you can see that they were marked like that.[/quote]

Thanks John, I wasnt aware of that.

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City Hall's official name is the Division of Fire Services! I personally don't like that, but they didn't ask me! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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[quote name='MemphisE34a' post='184924' date='Jan 29 2008, 08:15 ']Having studied the pictures a little more closely, I do not the area over the speedlays if for additional lines. It certainly looks like it would be for hose storage, but maybe it is for just that - dead loads of hose storage that is not preconnected. Pull what you need, bust it, and hook it up.



I say this because when looking at the pump panel, all of the discharges are color coded. I can account for all of the colors with discharges I can see in various pictures with the exception of the front bumper line which I assume would be purple. Additionally, there are not colored tabs associating that area with corresponding levers on the pump.



I will still see what I can find out.[/quote]



The area where the cross lays previously were is now space for backboards, little ladder, and a hotel pack.

[Truckman]

[quote name='firedog120' post='185050' date='Jan 29 2008, 18:49 ']City Hall's official name is the Division of Fire Services! I personally don't like that, but they didn't ask me! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />[/quote]





Matt probably no one else was either. Political correctness I would suppose. As long as the Department keeps have the correct name put on the doors and hoods, city hall can call them whatever they desire. Besides it was the [color="#FF0000"]FIRE DEPARTMENT OF MEMPHIS[/color], long before any of those folks were born!

[Kevin Lackey]

[quote name='oneilljb' post='185154' date='Jan 30 2008, 08:02 ']The area where the cross lays previously were is now space for backboards, little ladder, and a hotel pack.[/quote]





Interesting, cant say ive ever heard of that space being used for those items.

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[quote name='oneilljb' post='185154' date='Jan 30 2008, 08:02 ']The area where the cross lays previously were is now space for backboards, little ladder, and a hotel pack.[/quote]

Barry,



The little ladder storage can be seen at the rear of the pump panel, not the typical preconnect location.



I guess the backboards would be okay, but I do not see the hotel packs being stored up there. Too much of a headache to get them up and down. I actually like my idea of putting a long dead load of 1 3/4" hose and pulling what you need OR a 2 1/2" preconnected line. I may change my mind after seeing them when they get here, but thats what I come up with just thinking about it.



Also, they should be in town in about a week according to out shop Manager.

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[quote name='MemphisE34a' post='185272' date='Jan 30 2008, 20:47 ']Barry,



The little ladder storage can be seen at the rear of the pump panel, not the typical preconnect location.



I guess the backboards would be okay, but I do not see the hotel packs being stored up there. Too much of a headache to get them up and down. I actually like my idea of putting a long dead load of 1 3/4" hose and pulling what you need OR a 2 1/2" preconnected line. I may change my mind after seeing them when they get here, but thats what I come up with just thinking about it.



Also, they should be in town in about a week according to out shop Manager.[/quote]



Bobby



As is usually the case, you're right... about the little ladder. I was in a hurry when I made my last post and didn't have time to get into details. I do like the idea of a preconnected 2.5. I also like the idea of a deadlay 1.75, but only if they were intended to be connected once the appropriate length was pulled off. I think that the time used to extend a pre-connect could be better used laying wyed lines or a bigger line, but thats just my opinion.



Regarding the lower hosebed...



Moving the ladders would only lower the hosebed in the area of the new ladder storage. Thats maybe 2 feet in a space about 2 feet wide . I suspect the hose above that will be wyed-lines and about 200 feet of 2.5. The more often used LDH and the rest of the 2.5 will be at face level (a little higher for you or me).



The hydraulic ladder rack would add expense to the rig and it would affect the spotting of engines if the ladders were to be used. FDNY (for the familiar example) specs theirs with the racks, I suspect, because like Memphis, ladders are rarely, if ever, pulled from a pumper. BUT, FDNY also uses tactics that would be rather foriegn here and lays out their pumpers accordingly, so the extra expense is justified for them. I do not feel the extra expense is justifiable for Memphis when the sole purpose of specifying the rack is only for moving the ladders out of the way. Little Rock, for example, changed their spec to get away from the ladder racks because they were (1) a pain to use on many streets, and (2) one more thing to break. I might agree with 3/4 height PS compartments and a short ZICO rack, but not a ladder rack like FDNY uses. Using an L-shaped tank would lower the hose bed considerably more, but takes us back to the need for the ladder rack. I would be concered, also, of difficulty in packing the LDH according to Memphis proceedures in the shortened space. Perhaps someone with experience in loading 5 inch hose on a FDNY style bed could chime in.

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[quote name='oneilljb' post='185347' date='Jan 31 2008, 09:08 ']Regarding the lower hosebed...



Moving the ladders would only lower the hosebed in the area of the new ladder storage. Thats maybe 2 feet in a space about 2 feet wide . I suspect the hose above that will be wyed-lines and about 200 feet of 2.5. The more often used LDH and the rest of the 2.5 will be at face level (a little higher for you or me).



The hydraulic ladder rack would add expense to the rig and it would affect the spotting of engines if the ladders were to be used. Little Rock, for example, changed their spec to get away from the ladder racks because they were (1) a pain to use on many streets, and (2) one more thing to break.



I might agree with 3/4 height PS compartments and a short ZICO rack. Using an L-shaped tank would lower the hose bed considerably more, but takes us back to the need for the ladder rack. I would be concered, also, of difficulty in packing the LDH according to Memphis proceedures in the shortened space. Perhaps someone with experience in loading 5 inch hose on a FDNY style bed could chime in.[/quote]



John Barry,



I agree with many of your assessments. I think the best compromise may very well be the 3/4 compartments and the Zico ladder rack. As far as any form of a ladder rack affecting the spotting of apparatus because of obstructions, maybe it is time to get away from putting ladders on the passenger side for the sole reason being its always been that way and move them to the drivers side where (at least in the US) they will typically face the middle of the street and be free of obstructions. Additionally, it would leave more compartment space for firefighting tools on the passenger side which would be closer for the guys who have to grab it riding on the passenger side. Think about it - right now, all the firefighting tools on engines are mounted in the farthest compartments from the guys that may be grabbing them. Ground breaking, I know.



According to Larry, these have "L" shaped tanks.

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What pumps are on these new rigs, Waterous or Hale? We are in the process of putting specs together for a new rescue engine and I like the compact pump panel on these units. It could save wheelbase length in the long run.

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Photo from Hughes Fire Equip. web site.



LT, this photo (the same one I sent you) is a 750 L tank with the same body as Memphis' new wagons. Really makes me question them having L tanks.

I like the idea of the ZICO drop down rack on the left.

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Wagonman,



Thanks for the pic. I am also curious like Barry about the depth of the hosebed. We carry 1000' of 5" with all of the butts at the front of the bed to keep the lay relatively flat and to keep the butts from having to flip in the bed. By the time you stack that to the very top of the bed, like the one pictured, we still have not really gained anything. Instead of a 2' stack of 5" 12 feet long, we would have a 4' stack 7' long with the final butt on both still being 8 or 9 feet off the ground.



T-Bone - not sure, but I will find out.

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[quote name='T-Bone' post='185375' date='Jan 31 2008, 12:08 ']What pumps are on these new rigs, Waterous or Hale? We are in the process of putting specs together for a new rescue engine and I like the compact pump panel on these units. It could save wheelbase length in the long run.[/quote]



All of our current pumps are Hale. All of the pumps after about 1992 are 1500 GPM. I am almost positive these are single stage 1500 GPM hales.



If you want compact, look at Pierce's PUC, if you are tempted by the so-called koolaid. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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[quote name='MemphisE34a' post='185352' date='Jan 31 2008, 09:46 ']John Barry,



I agree with many of your assessments. I think the best compromise may very well be the 3/4 compartments and the Zico ladder rack. As far as any form of a ladder rack affecting the spotting of apparatus because of obstructions, maybe it is time to get away from putting ladders on the passenger side for the sole reason being its always been that way and move them to the drivers side where (at least in the US) they will typically face the middle of the street and be free of obstructions. Additionally, it would leave more compartment space for firefighting tools on the passenger side which would be closer for the guys who have to grab it riding on the passenger side. Think about it - right now, all the firefighting tools on engines are mounted in the farthest compartments from the guys that may be grabbing them. Ground breaking, I know.



According to Larry, these have "L" shaped tanks.[/quote]



Bobby



While I do like the idea of the street side ladder rack, I'll do you one better. Pierce's Ladder Gantry is a top mounted ladder rack that sends the ladder off the rear of the pumper. The down side is a full depth compartment is required under the ladder. Thats fine for a true rescue pumper, but it increases the hosebed height.



[url="http://www.piercemfg.com/LadderGantry.html"]Ladder Gantry[/url]

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How many Pierce Arrow XT Engines are coming on the 2nd batch ?

and Pierce Ladders going to be ordred ?