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[quote name='fyreline' date='14 January 2010 - 02:44 PM' timestamp='1263497077' post='358501']
[size="5"]Well, I know what a "Baltimore Basket" is (At least I think I do), but I don't know exactly why it's called that. If it's like most fire service innovations, it's because it is credited with originating there. If it's truly like most fire service innovations, there will also be various parties who will dispute that.[/size]
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Chief I think you are on the money.
In the Classic Mack & Ward LaFrance Apparatus Thread, posts 241 nand 242 shows one pretty good.
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What the Chief said and what the photos show.
The HuMat hydrant connection used by many departments on the east coast was designed by a fire fighter from Baltimore County named Hurley Mathews he was assigned to Station 8 in Fullerton.
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[quote name='gravenut74' date='26 August 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1282877079' post='399371']
The HuMat hydrant connection used by many departments on the east coast was designed by a fire fighter from Baltimore County named Hurley Mathews he was assigned to Station 8 in Fullerton.
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Bob Hughes, Hurley Matthews (retired, Baltimore County, MD FD and current volunteer for the Blacksburg, VA FD) and Nick Borst founded Humat, Inc. to develop and market to the fire service products that improve water handling on the fire ground.
So what was the other valve name, that was before the Humat, used by Baltimore City and I think the county as well???
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[quote name='Truckman' date='28 August 2010 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1283032718' post='399641']
Bob Hughes, Hurley Matthews (retired, Baltimore County, MD FD and current volunteer for the Blacksburg, VA FD) and Nick Borst founded Humat, Inc. to develop and market to the fire service products that improve water handling on the fire ground.
So what was the other valve name, that was before the Humat, used by Baltimore City and I think the county as well???
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I know the "Vulcan Protable Hydrant" by Ross Valve Company was used for Baltimore City's High Pressure Water System.... but as for a true hydrant valve, I have no clue.
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[quote name='Truckman' date='28 August 2010 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1283032718' post='399641']
Bob Hughes, Hurley Matthews (retired, Baltimore County, MD FD and current volunteer for the Blacksburg, VA FD) and Nick Borst founded Humat, Inc. to develop and market to the fire service products that improve water handling on the fire ground.
So what was the other valve name, that was before the Humat, used by Baltimore City and I think the county as well???
<img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/popcorn.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
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Mewshaw (sp) valve.
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[quote name='WAGONMAN' date='30 August 2010 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1283197040' post='400058']
Mewshaw (sp) valve.
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Give the man a big bag of pop corn, a giant soda, a couple of red hots dressed out.
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I think the spelling is Mushaw valve, but I could be wrong too. The next time at the MD Fire Museum I'll ask.
They tried to stump me on a old Navy line thrower that used fire departments used for a long time.
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[quote name='Truckman' date='30 August 2010 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1283204714' post='400071']
Give the man a big bag of pop corn, a giant soda, a couple of red hots dressed out.
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I think the spelling is Mushaw valve, but I could be wrong too. The next time at the MD Fire Museum I'll ask.
They tried to stump me on a old Navy line thrower that used fire departments used for a long time.
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I kind of cheated, I've actually used one. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jawdrop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />
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[quote name='WAGONMAN' date='30 August 2010 - 09:13 PM' timestamp='1283216012' post='400147']
I kind of cheated, I've actually used one. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jawdrop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
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Did you know the Chief it was named after???? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />
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[quote name='Truckman' date='31 August 2010 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1283290650' post='400369']
Did you know the Chief it was named after???? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
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Not quite, but close. I know I sure don't miss shoveling the horse dung. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />
[quote name='WAGONMAN' date='30 August 2010 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1283197040' post='400058']
Mewshaw (sp) valve.
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Thomas H. Meushaw was the Baltimore FD Superintendant of Machinary at the turn of the 20th century and is credited with inventing the Meushaw valve and produced them under his own name. At some point, I am guessing around 1930, it became known as the "Anderson Meushaw" as the F. L. Anderson Company in Baltimore became the sole manufacturer. They were sold up thru the late 1970's. Hurley told me that he was at the the Anderson Company one day talking with Fred Anderson and Fred showed him a stack of unfilled orders for Meushaw valves. The backlog at the time was over 6 months due to the laborious process in making the valve (Each valve was hand made from rough aluminum and brass castings and fitted together without gaskets or seals. They leaked whenever those metal to metal surfaces wore down.). Hurley said that it that many FD's needed valves, he knew there would be a market for his. The Anderson Company also produced a "Meushaw-Dietz" valve, basically a gate valve for the steamer side with an attached gated wye. I do not know if that predated the Meushaw valve or vice-versa. I will post some vintage Meushaw advertising in the next post. I can dig out both styles of valves for photos if anyone is interested. Also, anyone familiar with the Akron 628 hydrant valve can see that the basic principle of operation was "borrowed" from the design of the Meushaw valve.
Sorry-I guess you can't attach images in this forum.
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[quote name='gfd1' date='01 September 2010 - 08:36 AM' timestamp='1283343409' post='400473']
Thomas H. Meushaw was the Baltimore FD Superintendant of Machinary at the turn of the 20th century and is credited with inventing the Meushaw valve and produced them under his own name. At some point, I am guessing around 1930, it became known as the "Anderson Meushaw" as the F. L. Anderson Company in Baltimore became the sole manufacturer. They were sold up thru the late 1970's. Hurley told me that he was at the the Anderson Company one day talking with Fred Anderson and Fred showed him a stack of unfilled orders for Meushaw valves. The backlog at the time was over 6 months due to the laborious process in making the valve (Each valve was hand made from rough aluminum and brass castings and fitted together without gaskets or seals. They leaked whenever those metal to metal surfaces wore down.). Hurley said that it that many FD's needed valves, he knew there would be a market for his. The Anderson Company also produced a "Meushaw-Dietz" valve, basically a gate valve for the steamer side with an attached gated wye. I do not know if that predated the Meushaw valve or vice-versa. I will post some vintage Meushaw advertising in the next post. I can dig out both styles of valves for photos if anyone is interested. Also, anyone familiar with the Akron 628 hydrant valve can see that the basic principle of operation was "borrowed" from the design of the Meushaw valve.
Sorry-I guess you can't attach images in this forum.
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Thanks for that infomation. You can post photos of the valve and related info in the Other Photos section. or something like that.
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[quote name='Truckman' date='25 August 2007 - 09:05 AM' timestamp='1188060357' post='143185']
Mack Trucks, began as a design and manufacture of heavy duty commerical vehicles, trucks and buses in the early 1900's. The first Mack named fire apparatus came about in 1911 and was a pumper.
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Question on the Mack, is there any reason why Mack got out of the fire truck business I really think they would still be the number one rig on the market if they would have stayed in.
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Question on the Mack, is there any reason why Mack got out of the fire truck business I really think they would still be the number one rig on the market if they would have stayed in.
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What else? The custom rigs didn't bring in the $$ the upper echelon wanted. IIRC, this may have been after Renault took over from Federal Signal. Bad enough we bail the French out twice, then they stop Mack from making Fire Apparatus. Seeing how the CF was still a decent seller, my sources told me that when Aerialscope had to guarantee a certain amount of CF chassis' and could not, the decision (IIRC, the CF could not hold up to either OSHA and/or NFPA specs). This may have been with the Volvo takeover (as always, corrections welcomed.....)
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Jonas Swab was a blacksmith that started out making sleighs in the 1860's. He then started to make horse drawn wagons. In the 1930's they started to make fire apparatus and then the type 1 ambo in 1963.
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Quote:Jonas Swab was a blacksmith that started out making sleighs in the 1860's. He then started to make horse drawn wagons. In the 1930's they started to make fire apparatus and then the type 1 ambo in 1963.
The business is now owned by The Margerum Family, Swab's great grandchildren.
Also Hamerly was started by the two brothers, Ron and Len and Ron's pretty wife Louise. Ron was the one who left Hahn not Len.
And it also drives me crazy when people refer to Hamerly as Hammerly, with two "m"'s !
Can anyone remind me about 3-D Metals?
How about WARD LaFrance? I heard Boston was not happy with the ones they had back in the 60s.
Sorry, missed the previous answer.
From www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/spartan-motors-inc-history - "Named after the Spartansof ancient Greece, who eschewed luxury in favor of thrift and discipline, the company was determined to maintain a no-frills approach to management." Includes excellent back story.
Truckson LaFrance's brother's name was Asa.
Atlas began as a builder of petroleum-hauling trucks in North Carolina in 1937. They built their first fire truck in 1959, became EEI - Emergency Equipment Incorporated - in the '80's, and were gone inthe '90's.
American Eagle of Gainesville, FL was the child of former E\-One'ers, at least some of whom returned to E\-One when AE ceased.
Son & father Bob & Phil began Beck in Clover City, CA in 1979.
B.J.C. Howe started in Indianapolis before moving to Anderson, IN.
Coast Manufacturers - "Building Superior Fire Engines" - moved to Martinez, CA from Concord, CA.
Murillo M. Brockway founded Crown, "The Royalty of Fire Apparatus." He was distantly related to THE Brockways.
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