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Jr - I appreciate your response, which certainly featured some valid points… BUT is there really THAT much of an operational edge/criteria to warrant purchasing a Tiller for a response district that is predominantly a suburban bedroom community? That's what I was trying to say, but I guess Thursday's Tryptophan-laden turkey binge obscured my ability to articulate my core point <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Sr definitely has some very valid points. As an example, years ago (LONG before Fairfax County BLEW UP population-wise) Tiller Ladders (and Towers) were everywhere.
Another interesting factoid is that the first FAIRFAX COUNTY purchased Truck was a mid-mount (non-Tiler) Ladder! What's also interesting (and further validates Sr's statement) is that even when Prince William was a FAR more rural jurisdiction you had Tiller Ladders at 2/12 and 11, but not a single one now - which highlights the functional improvements made in rear--mount straight sticks.
Although I greatly commend the PWC Volunteer Departments who have been conductingin-house Training/Certification Courses, I have a feeling the County may want to be in complete control of instructing such a specialized course.
Excellent discussion!
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Nate,
I understand your point about urban vs. suburban response areas but if you look at the DMV where there is just as many TDA's in suburbia than downtown. The reasons for this are not completely known or what tactical advantage actully is but I'm just saying with collecting data this could be made clear. Then again the answers could be "because its cool" or "we always had one" which doesn't really give good reasons to purchase one. There are plenty of true pros and cons out there which need true research.
Jr - I appreciate your response, which certainly featured some valid points… BUT is there really THAT much of an operational edge/criteria to warrant purchasing a Tiller for a response district that is predominantly a suburban bedroom community? That's what I was trying to say, but I guess Thursday's Tryptophan-laden turkey binge obscured my ability to articulate my core point <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />Sr definitely has some very valid points. As an example, years ago (LONG before Fairfax County BLEW UP population-wise) Tiller Ladders (and Towers) were everywhere.
Another interesting factoid is that the first FAIRFAX COUNTY purchased Truck was a mid-mount (non-Tiler) Ladder! What's also interesting (and further validates Sr's statement) is that even when Prince William was a FAR more rural jurisdiction you had Tiller Ladders at 2/12 and 11, but not a single one now - which highlights the functional improvements made in rear--mount straight sticks.
Although I greatly commend the PWC Volunteer Departments who have been conductingin-house Training/Certification Courses, I have a feeling the County may want to be in complete control of instructing such a specialized course.
Excellent discussion!
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Nate,
I understand your point about urban vs. suburban response areas but if you look at the DMV where there is just as many TDA's in suburbia than downtown. The reasons for this are not completely known or what tactical advantage actully is but I'm just saying with collecting data this could be made clear. Then again the answers could be "because its cool" or "we always had one" which doesn't really give good reasons to purchase one. There are plenty of true pros and cons out there which need true research.
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