[quote name='edburke' post='23993' date='Aug 18 2006, 14:45 ']Actually, E\-One was put on the map by Chicago.
What is needed in Boston is a return to tillers. The E-Ones worked OK, but if you ask the old timers on Ladder 1, 24, 4, etc. that had tight fits, they could do much more with the tiller than they ever could with the rear mounts. Now that tillers are available from most manufacturers, they should be looking at them again. Including Pierce, as the biggest problem with the Pierce aerials in Boston, is that they are medium duty in a heavy duty city. If they tried the heavy duty aerials, you might see some opinions change. Please do not construe this to mean that I support the Pierce's in Boston, because I don't. I also don't condone the "well, it's worked for 20+ years, so why mess with it?" theory. A lot has changed in 20 years, and a lot of other options out there could work better. They need to form an objective committee to determine needs and then ****** every available option to choose the manufacturer that meets those needs best.[/quote]
Thanks for mentioning Chicago Ed.Of all of the E/One rigs that Chicago at one time once had we now have only 9, 2000 100 foot rear mount Aerial Ladders in front line service which happens to be the last Aerial Ladders that we purchased before going to Pierce Trucks.The last E/One Engines that we ordered were 1988 models which are now spare rigs.
I agree with what you said about Boston's apparatus needs which make alot of sense as opposed to the sniping that has been going on between the E/One and the Pierce proponents.Even though Chicago only has the 9 E/One Ladders in serivce we still have a fair amount of Spare E/One Ladders and Engines plus a 55 foot Snorkel/Squad but they are also being sold off as now our 1992/93 Spartan Luvernes have been replaced and have become Spare rigs.
What is needed in Boston is a return to tillers. The E-Ones worked OK, but if you ask the old timers on Ladder 1, 24, 4, etc. that had tight fits, they could do much more with the tiller than they ever could with the rear mounts. Now that tillers are available from most manufacturers, they should be looking at them again. Including Pierce, as the biggest problem with the Pierce aerials in Boston, is that they are medium duty in a heavy duty city. If they tried the heavy duty aerials, you might see some opinions change. Please do not construe this to mean that I support the Pierce's in Boston, because I don't. I also don't condone the "well, it's worked for 20+ years, so why mess with it?" theory. A lot has changed in 20 years, and a lot of other options out there could work better. They need to form an objective committee to determine needs and then ****** every available option to choose the manufacturer that meets those needs best.[/quote]
Thanks for mentioning Chicago Ed.Of all of the E/One rigs that Chicago at one time once had we now have only 9, 2000 100 foot rear mount Aerial Ladders in front line service which happens to be the last Aerial Ladders that we purchased before going to Pierce Trucks.The last E/One Engines that we ordered were 1988 models which are now spare rigs.
I agree with what you said about Boston's apparatus needs which make alot of sense as opposed to the sniping that has been going on between the E/One and the Pierce proponents.Even though Chicago only has the 9 E/One Ladders in serivce we still have a fair amount of Spare E/One Ladders and Engines plus a 55 foot Snorkel/Squad but they are also being sold off as now our 1992/93 Spartan Luvernes have been replaced and have become Spare rigs.
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