[quote name='MemphisE34a' post='185272' date='Jan 30 2008, 20:47 ']Barry,
The little ladder storage can be seen at the rear of the pump panel, not the typical preconnect location.
I guess the backboards would be okay, but I do not see the hotel packs being stored up there. Too much of a headache to get them up and down. I actually like my idea of putting a long dead load of 1 3/4" hose and pulling what you need OR a 2 1/2" preconnected line. I may change my mind after seeing them when they get here, but thats what I come up with just thinking about it.
Also, they should be in town in about a week according to out shop Manager.[/quote]
Bobby
As is usually the case, you're right... about the little ladder. I was in a hurry when I made my last post and didn't have time to get into details. I do like the idea of a preconnected 2.5. I also like the idea of a deadlay 1.75, but only if they were intended to be connected once the appropriate length was pulled off. I think that the time used to extend a pre-connect could be better used laying wyed lines or a bigger line, but thats just my opinion.
Regarding the lower hosebed...
Moving the ladders would only lower the hosebed in the area of the new ladder storage. Thats maybe 2 feet in a space about 2 feet wide . I suspect the hose above that will be wyed-lines and about 200 feet of 2.5. The more often used LDH and the rest of the 2.5 will be at face level (a little higher for you or me).
The hydraulic ladder rack would add expense to the rig and it would affect the spotting of engines if the ladders were to be used. FDNY (for the familiar example) specs theirs with the racks, I suspect, because like Memphis, ladders are rarely, if ever, pulled from a pumper. BUT, FDNY also uses tactics that would be rather foriegn here and lays out their pumpers accordingly, so the extra expense is justified for them. I do not feel the extra expense is justifiable for Memphis when the sole purpose of specifying the rack is only for moving the ladders out of the way. Little Rock, for example, changed their spec to get away from the ladder racks because they were (1) a pain to use on many streets, and (2) one more thing to break. I might agree with 3/4 height PS compartments and a short ZICO rack, but not a ladder rack like FDNY uses. Using an L-shaped tank would lower the hose bed considerably more, but takes us back to the need for the ladder rack. I would be concered, also, of difficulty in packing the LDH according to Memphis proceedures in the shortened space. Perhaps someone with experience in loading 5 inch hose on a FDNY style bed could chime in.
The little ladder storage can be seen at the rear of the pump panel, not the typical preconnect location.
I guess the backboards would be okay, but I do not see the hotel packs being stored up there. Too much of a headache to get them up and down. I actually like my idea of putting a long dead load of 1 3/4" hose and pulling what you need OR a 2 1/2" preconnected line. I may change my mind after seeing them when they get here, but thats what I come up with just thinking about it.
Also, they should be in town in about a week according to out shop Manager.[/quote]
Bobby
As is usually the case, you're right... about the little ladder. I was in a hurry when I made my last post and didn't have time to get into details. I do like the idea of a preconnected 2.5. I also like the idea of a deadlay 1.75, but only if they were intended to be connected once the appropriate length was pulled off. I think that the time used to extend a pre-connect could be better used laying wyed lines or a bigger line, but thats just my opinion.
Regarding the lower hosebed...
Moving the ladders would only lower the hosebed in the area of the new ladder storage. Thats maybe 2 feet in a space about 2 feet wide . I suspect the hose above that will be wyed-lines and about 200 feet of 2.5. The more often used LDH and the rest of the 2.5 will be at face level (a little higher for you or me).
The hydraulic ladder rack would add expense to the rig and it would affect the spotting of engines if the ladders were to be used. FDNY (for the familiar example) specs theirs with the racks, I suspect, because like Memphis, ladders are rarely, if ever, pulled from a pumper. BUT, FDNY also uses tactics that would be rather foriegn here and lays out their pumpers accordingly, so the extra expense is justified for them. I do not feel the extra expense is justifiable for Memphis when the sole purpose of specifying the rack is only for moving the ladders out of the way. Little Rock, for example, changed their spec to get away from the ladder racks because they were (1) a pain to use on many streets, and (2) one more thing to break. I might agree with 3/4 height PS compartments and a short ZICO rack, but not a ladder rack like FDNY uses. Using an L-shaped tank would lower the hose bed considerably more, but takes us back to the need for the ladder rack. I would be concered, also, of difficulty in packing the LDH according to Memphis proceedures in the shortened space. Perhaps someone with experience in loading 5 inch hose on a FDNY style bed could chime in.
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