[quote name='MemphisE34a' post='185352' date='Jan 31 2008, 10:46 ']John Barry,
I agree with many of your assessments. I think the best compromise may very well be the 3/4 compartments and the Zico ladder rack. As far as any form of a ladder rack affecting the spotting of apparatus because of obstructions, maybe it is time to get away from putting ladders on the passenger side for the sole reason being its always been that way and move them to the drivers side where (at least in the US) they will typically face the middle of the street and be free of obstructions. Additionally, it would leave more compartment space for firefighting tools on the passenger side which would be closer for the guys who have to grab it riding on the passenger side. Think about it - right now, all the firefighting tools on engines are mounted in the farthest compartments from the guys that may be grabbing them. Ground breaking, I know.
According to Larry, these have "L" shaped tanks.[/quote]
Robert, if they put the hydraulic ladder rack on the drivers side, then it would really be in their way of it was lower down. No since in creating a hazard for the operator as there is already one with the cross lays they have to dodge at the pump panel. Plus the ladder rack be an accident to happen, should it is lowered in traffic or not allow other apparatus to pass by on some streets.
One of the first things that the apparatus committee and powers to be has to decide upon is what we want in a Pumper or Aerial Truck. Next is what and where are we going to place the various tools and appliances, to make the rig as simplistic as possible. No sense in reinventing the wheel.
I have never been in favor of cross lays, unless they only come off the right side and not over or near the operator’s side. If you can spec a pumper and have the preconnects attack lines off the rear, you are far better off as the pumper came proceed just past the address and members can put the lines from the rear to the incident. There will always be pros and cons for the placement of preconnected hand lines.
One thing that the photo that Wagonman posted is that the dividers can be moved or removed. If you are carrying 1000 feet of LDH, i.e. 5 inch or even 4 inch, then that is the main hose bed that is configured. Then you add what ever else that you desire. If you want to carry 500 feet of 2-1/2 inch hose in a dead load, with a nozzle attached and then have two 1-3/4 inch preconnected hose lines, it should be plenty of room for that. Most dealers as well as manufacturers will work closely with the departments to achieve what they want and need. If you make a radical change in design, the manufacturers must re tool their operation to make a few of one of a kinds. In other words don’t’ vary off too much and run the cost up for each piece.
I agree with many of your assessments. I think the best compromise may very well be the 3/4 compartments and the Zico ladder rack. As far as any form of a ladder rack affecting the spotting of apparatus because of obstructions, maybe it is time to get away from putting ladders on the passenger side for the sole reason being its always been that way and move them to the drivers side where (at least in the US) they will typically face the middle of the street and be free of obstructions. Additionally, it would leave more compartment space for firefighting tools on the passenger side which would be closer for the guys who have to grab it riding on the passenger side. Think about it - right now, all the firefighting tools on engines are mounted in the farthest compartments from the guys that may be grabbing them. Ground breaking, I know.
According to Larry, these have "L" shaped tanks.[/quote]
Robert, if they put the hydraulic ladder rack on the drivers side, then it would really be in their way of it was lower down. No since in creating a hazard for the operator as there is already one with the cross lays they have to dodge at the pump panel. Plus the ladder rack be an accident to happen, should it is lowered in traffic or not allow other apparatus to pass by on some streets.
One of the first things that the apparatus committee and powers to be has to decide upon is what we want in a Pumper or Aerial Truck. Next is what and where are we going to place the various tools and appliances, to make the rig as simplistic as possible. No sense in reinventing the wheel.
I have never been in favor of cross lays, unless they only come off the right side and not over or near the operator’s side. If you can spec a pumper and have the preconnects attack lines off the rear, you are far better off as the pumper came proceed just past the address and members can put the lines from the rear to the incident. There will always be pros and cons for the placement of preconnected hand lines.
One thing that the photo that Wagonman posted is that the dividers can be moved or removed. If you are carrying 1000 feet of LDH, i.e. 5 inch or even 4 inch, then that is the main hose bed that is configured. Then you add what ever else that you desire. If you want to carry 500 feet of 2-1/2 inch hose in a dead load, with a nozzle attached and then have two 1-3/4 inch preconnected hose lines, it should be plenty of room for that. Most dealers as well as manufacturers will work closely with the departments to achieve what they want and need. If you make a radical change in design, the manufacturers must re tool their operation to make a few of one of a kinds. In other words don’t’ vary off too much and run the cost up for each piece.
John Hinant
Retired Member of Richmond VA Fire Bureau
October 25, 1858 - October 25, 2020 = 162 years old
The sixth oldest paid, documented, Fire Department in the United States
First established in 1782
"In God We Trust - All Others We Take For Granted"
Retired Member of Richmond VA Fire Bureau
October 25, 1858 - October 25, 2020 = 162 years old
The sixth oldest paid, documented, Fire Department in the United States
First established in 1782
"In God We Trust - All Others We Take For Granted"
Facebook
Google
Reddit
Twitter