[quote name='Truckman' post='185567' date='Feb 1 2008, 09:49 ']Robert, if they put the hydraulic ladder rack on the drivers side, then it would really be in their way of it was lower down. No since in creating a hazard for the operator as there is already one with the cross lays they have to dodge at the pump panel. Plus the ladder rack be an accident to happen, should it is lowered in traffic or not allow other apparatus to pass by on some streets.
[color="#FF0000"]John, I agree kind of. It would / could be in the way on both sides, but I understand your premise - the driver would be on the pump panel side more often. Having said that, 99.9% of the time, ladders are placed on these engines only because they are required by ISO and NFPA. On the slight occasion that an engine company actually used a ladder, the rack could be put back up instead of leaving it down. Traffic would be the last of my concerns - we shut it down. Apparatus getting by could be an issue, but I do not think very often. On the passenger side you either have to position to let the rack come down, completely blocking the street or do without the ladders. At least on the driver side you could still park on the curb and put the rack back up if its in the way or blocking apparatus. [/color]
One of the first things that the apparatus committee and powers to be has to decide upon is what we want in a Pumper or Aerial Truck. Next is what and where are we going to place the various tools and appliances, to make the rig as simplistic as possible. No sense in reinventing the wheel. [color="#FF0000"]Agreed[/color]
I have never been in favor of cross lays, unless they only come off the right side and not over or near the operator’s side. If you can spec a pumper and have the preconnects attack lines off the rear, you are far better off as the pumper came proceed just past the address and members can put the lines from the rear to the incident. There will always be pros and cons for the placement of preconnected hand lines. [color="#FF0000"]I also like preconnects coming off of the rear. In addition for it being safer and less restrictive for thepump operator, it would help make engines start parking past the building on fire where they should be instead of lining the crosslays up with the front door.[/color]
One thing that the photo that Wagonman posted is that the dividers can be moved or removed. If you are carrying 1000 feet of LDH, i.e. 5 inch or even 4 inch, then that is the main hose bed that is configured. Then you add what ever else that you desire. If you want to carry 500 feet of 2-1/2 inch hose in a dead load, with a nozzle attached and then have two 1-3/4 inch preconnected hose lines, it should be plenty of room for that. Most dealers as well as manufacturers will work closely with the departments to achieve what they want and need. If you make a radical change in design, the manufacturers must re tool their operation to make a few of one of a kinds. In other words don’t’ vary off too much and run the cost up for each piece.[/quote]
Going on a run.....be back later. Lot of sick people around here!!
[color="#FF0000"]John, I agree kind of. It would / could be in the way on both sides, but I understand your premise - the driver would be on the pump panel side more often. Having said that, 99.9% of the time, ladders are placed on these engines only because they are required by ISO and NFPA. On the slight occasion that an engine company actually used a ladder, the rack could be put back up instead of leaving it down. Traffic would be the last of my concerns - we shut it down. Apparatus getting by could be an issue, but I do not think very often. On the passenger side you either have to position to let the rack come down, completely blocking the street or do without the ladders. At least on the driver side you could still park on the curb and put the rack back up if its in the way or blocking apparatus. [/color]
One of the first things that the apparatus committee and powers to be has to decide upon is what we want in a Pumper or Aerial Truck. Next is what and where are we going to place the various tools and appliances, to make the rig as simplistic as possible. No sense in reinventing the wheel. [color="#FF0000"]Agreed[/color]
I have never been in favor of cross lays, unless they only come off the right side and not over or near the operator’s side. If you can spec a pumper and have the preconnects attack lines off the rear, you are far better off as the pumper came proceed just past the address and members can put the lines from the rear to the incident. There will always be pros and cons for the placement of preconnected hand lines. [color="#FF0000"]I also like preconnects coming off of the rear. In addition for it being safer and less restrictive for thepump operator, it would help make engines start parking past the building on fire where they should be instead of lining the crosslays up with the front door.[/color]
One thing that the photo that Wagonman posted is that the dividers can be moved or removed. If you are carrying 1000 feet of LDH, i.e. 5 inch or even 4 inch, then that is the main hose bed that is configured. Then you add what ever else that you desire. If you want to carry 500 feet of 2-1/2 inch hose in a dead load, with a nozzle attached and then have two 1-3/4 inch preconnected hose lines, it should be plenty of room for that. Most dealers as well as manufacturers will work closely with the departments to achieve what they want and need. If you make a radical change in design, the manufacturers must re tool their operation to make a few of one of a kinds. In other words don’t’ vary off too much and run the cost up for each piece.[/quote]
Going on a run.....be back later. Lot of sick people around here!!
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