Hose beds/loads

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Here's two from the small combo department I vollied with back in the early '80's. West Hazleton Fire Department in northeast PA. Photo credit to Deputy Chief P. Ward, WHFD. First up Engine 241, a 1976 Seagrave.

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Engine 242, 2002? KME

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O.K. I have played fireman for a few years now. But, I have to ask <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Why do some depts. have the female ends hanging out of the bed at the bottom of the hose lay? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



GB1 can you all pick up some ply wood? Its not pretty but it will make a pretty good divider! My VFD did it a few times.

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Here's an action shot of Tampa Fire Rescue Engine 6, a 1997 Quantum, one of five delivered. Most of our Quantums have two speedlay beds of 1 3/4" at 200'. Yours truly monitoring things down range while pumping a "courtyard" lay of 3'' at a natural gas leak.

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[quote name='ppfd' post='187136' date='Feb 6 2008, 15:54 ']O.K. I have played fireman for a few years now. But, I have to ask <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Why do some depts. have the female ends hanging out of the bed at the bottom of the hose lay? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



GB1 can you all pick up some ply wood? Its not pretty but it will make a pretty good divider! My VFD did it a few times.[/quote]



Probably if the members buy it themselves. Right now they're worried about lay-offs later this year.

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Charlotte, NC 500gal tank.

Would be interesting to see how they load the 'mail boxes.'

Smeal website photo

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750gal tank on an interface style wagon

Smeal website photo

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[quote name='ppfd' post='187136' date='Feb 6 2008, 15:54 ']O.K. I have played fireman for a few years now. But, I have to ask <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Why do some depts. have the female ends hanging out of the bed at the bottom of the hose lay? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />[/quote]





Normally a department that leaves either the male or female butt showing at the bottom of the hose load, has done that so the other hose bed can be connected to the other so a longer lay can be accomplished.



When we ran nothing but 2-1/2” hose as the supply line, in a “horseshoe load”, we usually kept both the beds of 2-1/2” connected so we could lay out 1600 feet of hose line. If we didn’t need the “other” hose bed, then it just stayed there.



If we needed to lay duel 2-1/2” hose lines then a simple unscrewing of that coupling was all that was necessary.



Some companies that laid out duels all the time, didn’t keep the hose beds connected.



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Wagonman, in post 88, I think that the covers open up, don't they not? If not I'd like to see them load them too!!!

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John,



You go back far enough to carry a skid load on top of the 'horseshoe,' similar to what Detroit and Chicage still do, and then back stretch or reverse lay which ever term you prefer.



Yeah the covers open and I'm assuming that the 'shelves' lift out. Would love to see one loaded out.

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Working end of Memphis E34.



200' of 1" booster.



Right bed consists of 1000' of 5". Two 33' sections of 5" in right, rear compartment.



Left bed holds (2) 150' sections of 1 3/4" hose with the top 50' of each bundled together in a shoulder load. It is loaded with about 3 feet of the female end hanging out of the bed and then flat loaded with the shoulder load on top.



The middle bed has 750' of 2 1/2" loaded with the male sections out and ending with a 2 1/2" to 1 3/4" gated wye on top. The 1 3/4" hose in the left bed in then connected to the wye on top of the middle bed.



This accomplishes the following:



The 2 1/2" can be used as a supply line with a double female at the plug and a double male at the pumper.



Two 1 3/4" lines can be laid and the pumper can be driven to get on a plug establishing a permanent water supply.



Two 1 3/4" lines can be laid if the fire is out of the reach of preconnected lines - alot of apartments with long setbacks or buildings in courtyards. Then the pumper can proceed to a hydrant or be supplied by a later arriving engine company.



The wye can be disconnected and replaced with a nozzle to stretch a 2 1/2" attack line.









EDIT - I'll post a picture tomorrow of the bed with all of the hose in it.

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Thanks Robert,



I like the 'working' photos as well.



Do you do an actual reverse lay often?

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[quote name='WAGONMAN' post='187349' date='Feb 7 2008, 15:30 ']Do you do an actual reverse lay often?[/quote]

That is actually what we do 99% of the time - even with the 5". In the picture above you can see E33 in the background. They supplied E34 by hooking their 5" to them (left side) and then driving and connecting to the next hydrant and pumping the supply line back to E34.



As I understand it, 34 was dropping their wyed lines at that fire and was getting ready to go to the plug when 33 arrived on scene, so they let them lay the supply.



E34 was also supplying a 5" line (right side) to T16.



E50 also dropped their wyed lines at this fire and got the next plug going the other way.

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[quote name='WAGONMAN' post='187337' date='Feb 7 2008, 15:33 ']John,



You go back far enough to carry a skid load on top of the 'horseshoe,' similar to what Detroit and Chicage still do, and then back stretch or reverse lay which ever term you prefer.



Yeah the covers open and I'm assuming that the 'shelves' lift out. Would love to see one loaded out.[/quote]





Yeah I am an old guy!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



On the older rides, 1955 and back that was the norm. Apparatus after 1955 had a separate split trough that carried the double 1-1/2” wye lines. Once the shop started fitting the older pumpers with preconnects, then usually the left side trough became dedicated for the preconnect and the right trough was for the wye lines. Brooms, gas and water key and rakes and other stuff carried on pumpers went either on top of the tank if room was there or a narrow trough was devised to the right of the main hose bed, next to the wye trough. Before that this stuff was caried in the left trough.



We ran two piece companies for the most part and the wagon laid out from the hydrant to the address and the pumper went in at the hydrant. The wye load was pulled and connected to the 2-1/2” supply line. The wagon always pulled past the structure or address, and parked, to give the room for the Truck. It was always easier to pull hose line than it was to try to carry ladders, fans, cables, lights and tools from down the street, plus if the aerial was raised, which on a lot of occasions it was, it was in the front where in most cases were it was going to be operated.



I may have an old photo or two with the older style hose bed and some newer ones that I will post.

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[quote name='MemphisE34a' post='187357' date='Feb 7 2008, 17:05 ']That is actually what we do 99% of the time - even with the 5". In the picture above you can see E33 in the background. They supplied E34 by hooking their 5" to them (left side) and then driving and connecting to the next hydrant and pumping the supply line back to E34.



As I understand it, 34 was dropping their wyed lines at that fire and was getting ready to go to the plug when 33 arrived on scene, so they let them lay the supply.



E34 was also supplying a 5" line (right side) to T16.



E50 also dropped their wyed lines at this fire and got the next plug going the other way.[/quote]



Because they had to get their own water, 50 lead out to the plug with the 2 1/2", right ; whereas 33 reversed out with a 5' supply line to the plug.

Did I get that right?

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[quote name='Truckman' post='187382' date='Feb 7 2008, 18:01 ']Yeah I am an old guy!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



On the older rides, 1955 and back that was the norm. Apparatus after 1955 had a separate split trough that carried the double 1-1/2” wye lines. Once the shop started fitting the older pumpers with preconnects, then usually the left side trough became dedicated for the preconnect and the right trough was for the wye lines. Brooms, gas and water key and rakes and other stuff carried on pumpers went either on top of the tank if room was there or a narrow trough was devised to the right of the main hose bed, next to the wye trough. Before that this stuff was caried in the left trough.



We ran two piece companies for the most part and the wagon laid out from the hydrant to the address and the pumper went in at the hydrant. The wye load was pulled and connected to the 2-1/2” supply line. The wagon always pulled past the structure or address, and parked, to give the room for the Truck. It was always easier to pull hose line than it was to try to carry ladders, fans, cables, lights and tools from down the street, plus if the aerial was raised, which on a lot of occasions it was, it was in the front where in most cases were it was going to be operated.



I may have an old photo or two with the older style hose bed and some newer ones that I will post.[/quote]



Love to see them if you do, John. Do the 'children' good to see what others did on a regular basis 'back in the day'.

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[quote name='WAGONMAN' post='187396' date='Feb 7 2008, 17:21 ']Because they had to get their own water, 50 lead out to the plug with the 2 1/2", right ; whereas 33 reversed out with a 5' supply line to the plug.

Did I get that right?[/quote]

Exactly!!

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[quote name='ppfd' post='187136' date='Feb 6 2008, 14:54 ']O.K. I have played fireman for a few years now. But, I have to ask <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Why do some depts. have the female ends hanging out of the bed at the bottom of the hose lay? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />[/quote]



Before switching over to 5" other than on 1 engine and our spare's... We ran all of our enigne's with 3" with the Male End on top due to the first in engine would start the fire attack and the second in would lay out to plug and pump back to the first... With male end out first it would tie right into the female intake fittings and the female would tie right into the discharge side on the other... We also run with double males and female tied on to them in case the first in would lay thier on line off hydrant pressure...



Jason

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Thanks guys!



So if I understand, you could have either 2 2.5" supply lines or one long one?



I had seen it before but felt goofy asking!



My dept. ran 2.5 supply lines like most did. We had split beds but never had any male/female ends out on the bottom of the load.



Our load out now is pretty basic,

800 to 1000 foot of 5"

500 foot of 2.5 for what ever the need may be

200 foot 2.5 pre connect off the back

150 and 200 1.75 cross lays.



On a side note anyone have a"layout" while driving down the road! We laid about 800 foot of 5" once <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Tried to tell the powers that be hose bed covers are a good idea

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[quote name='WFDT42' post='186627' date='Feb 4 2008, 14:59 ']Wynantskill, NY engine 42-7



400' of 4", 1000' of 5", and 250'? of 2.5" connected to the Blitzfire



Engine 42-1



1500' of 5"[/quote]





That is amazing! I've never seen that before. It's actually very wierd looking but I'm sure that it's practicle.

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[quote name='ppfd' post='187465' date='Feb 7 2008, 22:32 ']Thanks guys!



On a side note anyone have a"layout" while driving down the road! We laid about 800 foot of 5" once <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Tried to tell the powers that be hose bed covers are a good idea[/quote]



Oh yeah, Our e-4 laid out their bed of 5" on the highway one night on MVA run... I know that little subcompact car took out 4 section along with it's own oil pan... Then our sister city Texarkana TX Engine 735 has laid out their 5" twice now once on the highway and the second time down the street that station is on... Seem the fuel station they were leaving had good bump in and caused the hydrant fitting to bounce out... They found it when pulled into the station and there on front drive was end of lay all 1500' feet... They now have the new nets on the rear.



Jason