[quote name='RMKDFD' timestamp='1300652012' post='430333']
Don’t get me wrong. I appreciate nice looking fire apparatus as much as the next guy, but there’s a breaking point when “looks” or “style” takes a back seat to operational common sense. DCFD’s current Seagraves are some of the best apparatus ever spec’ed out by the department. A lot of thought was given to all members of the crew and what is expected of them to carryout their operational responsibilities at a fire or emergency scene. First and foremost consideration was given to the backstep fireman and what is expected of him.
Fire apparatus should be set up to work off of with consideration given to:
The members that have to use the apparatus.
The type of fire problems encountered by that specific jurisdiction.
The type of operations that are used by that specific department.
It’s nice to have a practical piece of apparatus to work off of, that looks nice, and doesn’t need major adjustments or modifications at the company level.
Just my two cents.
Semper Fidelis,
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We're on the same page Loot.
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If only the apparatus committee in Montgomery County Maryland had such tallent to design a piece of apparatus that the troops could use instead of feeding a bunch of EGOS <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdown.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />
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If only the apparatus committee in Montgomery County Maryland had such tallent to design a piece of apparatus that the troops could use instead of feeding a bunch of EGOS <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdown.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
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A large part of my collection was purchased from a GOOD man, John Floyd. I give him FULL credit on his work, although I may miss something. Thanks John. Also Scott Mattson, Warren Jenkins, Michael Schwartzberg, and Mike Sanders. Thanks Guys.
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“Don’t worry, Bill”, I said. “A few years from they’ll be talking about someone rolled a rig, or 21 was using old 1’s after the wreck with 9's new cab and blah blah blah. No one will ever remember you forgot to open the door.”
Engine 5’s Pirsch in quarters, mostly. Billy Wolf talking listening on the phone. c1979
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How come one bed is flat and one is accordian (or horseshoe is thats the case)?
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[quote name='MG3610' timestamp='1300902365' post='430777']
How come one bed is flat and one is accordian (or horseshoe is thats the case)?
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Good question.
Maybe the A shift packed the flat load and the B shift the accordian!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' /> <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />
Maybe a good reason.
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[quote name='Truckman' timestamp='1300903795' post='430778']
Good question.
Maybe the A shift packed the flat load and the B shift the accordian!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
Maybe a good reason.
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That was how it was spelled out in the DCFD Training Manual at that time. It called for the hosebeds to be loaded with the left bed holding 600' 3" Forward Lay (Flat), the right bed 600' 2.5" Reverse lay (accordian). As additional 3" was supplied to Engine Companies to fill both beds on both the Wagon and Pumper with 3", the flat lay became standard for both beds on both pieces of the DCFD's 32 Engine Companies. Sic Semper Gloria "Da Pumpermen" <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3_12_21.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' /> (ret.)
How come one bed is flat and one is accordian (or horseshoe is thats the case)?
So the 2 1/2" hose can be used as an attack-line or a supply-line. The accordian rack makes it easier for the men to take "x" folds and place it over their shoulder and then head towards the fire.
Left to right: 150' 1 1/2 " hoseline tray above, 250' 1 1/2" hose line, 600' 3" hose racked flat as supply line, 600' 2 1/2" hose racked accordian can be used as 2 1/2" attack line or supply line if dual lines are laid, rear soft-sleeve and finishing out the rear right side is the 350 which is 350' of 1 1/2" hoseline. Add the standpipe rack, the standpipe bag, and the small-line and you have some choices. Run a preconnect, run the rack and bag, run the 2 1/2" to the desired length, pull the small line, or make up whatever combination you need to fit the situation given upon arrival.
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[quote name='RMKDFD' timestamp='1300907672' post='430784']
How come one bed is flat and one is accordian (or horseshoe is thats the case)?
So the 2 1/2" hose can be used as an attack-line or a supply-line. The accordian rack makes it easier for the men to take "x" folds and place it over their shoulder and then head towards the fire.
Left to right: 150' 1 1/2 " hoseline tray above, 250' 1 1/2" hose line, 600' 3" hose racked flat as supply line, 600' 2 1/2" hose racked accordian can be used as 2 1/2" attack line or supply line if dual lines are laid, rear soft-sleeve and finishing out the rear right side is the 350 which is 350' of 1 1/2" hoseline. Add the standpipe rack, the standpipe bag, and the small-line and you have some choices. Run a preconnect, run the rack and bag, run the 2 1/2" to the desired length, pull the small line, or make up whatever combination you need to fit the situation given upon arrival.
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And that Gentelman is OLD SCHOOL <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/fireman.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' /> and still done that way today except for the hose bed of 21/2.
Thank You Lt Ron
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[quote name='RMKDFD' timestamp='1300907672' post='430784']
How come one bed is flat and one is accordian (or horseshoe is thats the case)?
So the 2 1/2" hose can be used as an attack-line or a supply-line. The accordian rack makes it easier for the men to take "x" folds and place it over their shoulder and then head towards the fire.
Left to right: 150' 1 1/2 " hoseline tray above, 250' 1 1/2" hose line, 600' 3" hose racked flat as supply line, 600' 2 1/2" hose racked accordian can be used as 2 1/2" attack line or supply line if dual lines are laid, rear soft-sleeve and finishing out the rear right side is the 350 which is 350' of 1 1/2" hoseline. Add the standpipe rack, the standpipe bag, and the small-line and you have some choices. Run a preconnect, run the rack and bag, run the 2 1/2" to the desired length, pull the small line, or make up whatever combination you need to fit the situation given upon arrival.
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Interesting to know.
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Solid explanation,RMKDFD. You aparently took notes from the best. Here is a view of Eng. 8's 1971 Ford/ Ward LaFrance (S-121) in quarters, 1977, showing the standard DCFD hose load as it was from the mid-50's through 1980.
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[quote name='dcfireman' timestamp='1300990337' post='430866']
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Solid explanation,RMKDFD. You aparently took notes from the best. Here is a view of Eng. 8's 1971 Ford/ Ward LaFrance (S-121) in quarters, 1977, showing the standard DCFD hose load as it was from the mid-50's through 1980.
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Kevin, great photo. He had to learn from you, huh?
I like that hose set up of years back.
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Kevin, great photo. He had to learn from you, huh?
I like that hose set up of years back.
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Sure beats the daylights out of what I saw from somewhere else earlier today.
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Also remember Gentelman if the Wagon or Pumper went out of service. We put a 21/2 in Hydrant Valve on the 3 in layout section and ran what we called Combination. That is we ran with one piece and the layout man would put the Hydrant Valve on one 21/2 in connection on the Hydrant and hook the 3 in to the other.
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Thanks for the info guys. Always neat to learn why things were done certain ways
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[quote name='tcosgrovejones' timestamp='1301005455' post='430885']
Also remember Gentelman if the Wagon or Pumper went out of service. We put a 21/2 in Hydrant Valve on the 3 in layout section and ran what we called Combination. That is we ran with one piece and the layout man would put the Hydrant Valve on one 21/2 in connection on the Hydrant and hook the 3 in to the other. Cosgr <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stirpot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> ve[/quote]And then some rookie would defeat the purpose by putting his own supply line on the inline valve. Wagon is Engine Co. 1’s 1999 model Cyclone II, single stage Hale 1250 GPM / 500-gallon tank (S-114), the first of sixteen delivered. Looking east on K St. NW to 14th, November, 2000
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[quote name='dcfireman' timestamp='1301017456' post='430921']
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And then some rookie would defeat the purpose by putting his own supply line on the inline valve. Wagon is Engine Co. 1’s 1999 model Cyclone II, single stage Hale 1250 GPM / 500-gallon tank (S-114), the first of sixteen delivered. Looking east on K St. NW to 14th, November, 2000
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Kevin is that hydrant an all 2-1/2" model or does it have a steamer outlet that can't be seen in this photo?
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The 4" connection is on the other side.
Kevin,
It was Detailed Truckmen, not Rookies who screwed up and attached the 2.5" Gate Valve to the hydrant and then attached the 3" Supply line to the gate (as opposed to the remaining 2.5" port!)...you, Cosgrove and I taught them better than that at the Training Academy! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3_12_21.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> (Ret.)
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I used to love coming over to the other side when they were using the pumper, then the house was all HAHN's!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
"RIP" Brothers Carter,Phillips,Matthews,Robinson & McRae!!
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I used to love coming over to the other side when they were using the pumper, then the house was all HAHN's!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
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Yea but it was still 9 engine.
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