I even liked it when I got detailed to Sherman Ave!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Matter of fact I was the only Truck Tech that could cross the floor and drive when needed.
How come one bed is flat and one is accordian (or horseshoe is thats the case)?
So the 2 1/2" hose can be used as an attack-line or a supply-line. The accordian rack makes it easier for the men to take "x" folds and place it over their shoulder and then head towards the fire.
Left to right: 150' 1 1/2 " hoseline tray above, 250' 1 1/2" hose line, 600' 3" hose racked flat as supply line, 600' 2 1/2" hose racked accordian can be used as 2 1/2" attack line or supply line if dual lines are laid, rear soft-sleeve and finishing out the rear right side is the 350 which is 350' of 1 1/2" hoseline. Add the standpipe rack, the standpipe bag, and the small-line and you have some choices. Run a preconnect, run the rack and bag, run the 2 1/2" to the desired length, pull the small line, or make up whatever combination you need to fit the situation given upon arrival.
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A variation of what Lt. Kemp's talking about with the accordian load for you peeps that have never worked with one. They're dragging rather than loading.
A variation of what Lt. Kemp's talking about with the accordian load for you peeps that have never worked with one. They're dragging rather than loading.
FYI: The 2.5" Hoseload in the LAFD video is a "Horseshoe Load", not an accordian. In my fire service career I have packed (and stretched) all three more times than I can count! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3_12_21.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> (Ret)
Ahhh, the days of the 2-piece Engine/Pumper concept...
sniff, sniff
[/quote]Not bashing, just wondering but...
It seems like you then have a wagon/pumper/engine whatever you want to call it sitting at the fire scene not doing anything. Why is it beneficial to have them run in pairs?
It seems like you then have a wagon/pumper/engine whatever you want to call it sitting at the fire scene not doing anything. Why is it beneficial to have them run in pairs?
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The two piece Engine Company concept has numerous advantages, Below I'll list a few:
1. Ability to adapt quickly to Water Supply problems (Dead Hydrant,etc.)
2. Ability to remain in service should one piece go down mechanical.
3. Ability to double the size of your FD quickly in the event of a major emergency (something DC couldn't do on 9-11, having dropped to single piece Engine Co's. in 1991)
4. Tactical Flexibility regarding Hoselay options should someting unexpected occur.
5. Ability of the Pumper to "takeover" the pumping of the Wagon's lines in the event of a mechanical failure, thus protecting the crews operating in the building.
These are just a few, feel free to add additional advantages. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3_12_21.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> (Ret.)
Keep in mind that any department that still pumps the hydrant is running a two piece engine company, it's just not as effective coming from separate houses. As you're looking at pics, pay attention to the number of large departments running with 4 way valves.
04-01-2011, 09:16 AM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2011, 09:19 AM by dcfireman.)
I have several anecdotes affirming each of the five points made by Feuerwehr75 above. The bottom line is the incomparable speed in placing companies into service at an alarm. I’m sure fellow fire pixer John “Truckman” Hinant a can attest to this, as Richmond, VA, was a major two-piece department.
This is an image of Engine Co. 23 in the late seventies, typical of a DCFD firehouse on a Saturday – wash out day. It is winter and the bay door is closed with the apparatus outside until the floor dries. Notice the cleaned oil pans set on end to dry.
A few companies had the combination of a Ward LaFrance wagon and Pirsch pumper in the late sixties. I believe E-29 had the last pair. E-23 and E-2 ran this combination until the Hahn purchase in 1980.
I have several anecdotes affirming each of the five points made by Feuerwehr75 above. The bottom line is the incomparable speed in placing companies into service at an alarm. I’m sure fellow fire pixer John “Truckman” Hinant a can attest to this, as Richmond, VA, was a major two-piece department.
This is an image of Engine Co. 23 in the late seventies, typical of a DCFD firehouse on a Saturday – wash out day. It is winter and the bay door is closed with the apparatus outside until the floor dries. Notice the cleaned oil pans set on end to dry.
A few companies had the combination of a Ward LaFrance wagon and Pirsch pumper in the late sixties. I believe E-29 had the last pair. E-23 and E-2 ran this combination until the Hahn purchase in 1980.
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Kevin, first of all, What great beauties the Pirsch and Ward was!! Good to see these two from the 23's.
Yes Richmond ran two piece companies up and into the 1980's. The operation was similar to the DCFD, as we ran with the crew on the wagon, made the hydrant, laid out and connected the leader line with a wye and stretch in. The Engine or Pumper, driver only, make the connection to the hydrant, hook the wagons supply line to a discharge and supplied water.
Other companies arriving, be it two piece or a triple, could lay off the engine at the hydrant and lay out. If it was another two piece, most the times they would make their own hydrant but in some cases they could lay from a engine already in, so their engine or pumper would seek out another hydrant, usually on the street corner behind the job.
Another great advantage of the two piece operation would be if the company went into the alley behind the fire building. Richmond is made up of streets and alleys behind most addresses. The wagon would make the alley on a forward lay and the engine would take or make their line and lay to a hydrant, in a split lay out. In some areas, the hydrants were on the corner of the alley and not on the main street or avenue. If this was the case the engine would make the hydrant connection as so it wouldn't block the ally, should another company could get in.
Here is a photo form my collection, showing a two piece company. Wagon 17 a 1948 Mack 750-200 of left and Engine 17 a 1953 Mack 1000-200 on the right.
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John Hinant Retired Member of Richmond VA Fire Bureau
October 25, 1858 - October 25, 2020 = 162 years old The sixth oldest paid, documented, Fire Department in the United States First established in 1782
"In God We Trust - All Others We Take For Granted"
Do we need to re-name this thread to reflect the name change going on to DCFD????
Sorry I vote "HELL NO"! and someone should slap the Person who suggested FEMS!!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stirpot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
Apologies if I posted this a long time ago, here is a wagon-pump combo of 2 Pirsch rigs from E-10 on a fireground in 1979.Perhaps the one on the left is a spare?
Apologies if I posted this a long time ago, here is a wagon-pump combo of 2 Pirsch rigs from E-10 on a fireground in 1979.Perhaps the one on the left is a spare?
Shop serial S-105, 1998 Seagrave 1500/500, 1998 - 2011
S-105 was one of two rescue pumpers purchased from Seagrave in 1998, an era of company disbandments and on-duty staff reductions for the DCFD. It was the first Seagrave acquisition in 50-years. It came equipped with cutters and spreaders and served Engine Co. 31 until replaced by a similar Seagrave in 2004. She went on to perform almost non-stop work as reserve pumper E-61, then as warehouse-reserve (not “ready-reserve”) E-70. It was recently removed from the inventory.
Shop serial S-105, 1998 Seagrave 1500/500, 1998 - 2011
S-105 was one of two rescue pumpers purchased from Seagrave in 1998, an era of company disbandments and on-duty staff reductions for the DCFD. It was the first Seagrave acquisition in 50-years. It came equipped with cutters and spreaders and served Engine Co. 31 until replaced by a similar Seagrave in 2004. She went on to perform almost non-stop work as reserve pumper E-61, then as warehouse-reserve (not “ready-reserve”) E-70. It was recently removed from the inventory.
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