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bigjim · 08-08-2006, 12:33 PM

The Ford C series is a ex-Air Force P-12. The Navy may have gotten it when they took over fire protection for some of the AF facilities in DC. The water tank is only 300 gallons because of the low hose bed. The A&W pressure computer on the side was unique to these AF pumpers.

08-11-2006, 11:10 PM

Two quick questions tonight for you DCFD experts, I am spending the evening updating what I have learned into my photo captions

1) any data out there for Engine 4? or better yet a resouce that shows all trucks so I don't have to keep bothering people (The one I found lacks E-4 for some reason)

2) Which is the correct way to term appratus for DCFD? (For example is it Engine 4 or 4 Engine, Truck 12 or 12 Truck?)

I have seen it written down both ways.

I will have some more photos up in the next day or two depending on my health and what we do in the morning.

Thanks in advance!

Art

08-12-2006, 12:45 AM

OLD School would be 4Engine,3Truck etc.

08-12-2006, 08:03 AM

The ex-USAF P-12 now owned by a DCFD LT was aquired by the DCFD as Government surplus equipment along with 2 US Navy Walthers/? 1000 gpm Wagons, one of which was used for a Driver's Training rig at the Training Academy, and the other two went for Fire Protection at Camp Brown, a DC summer camp for urban youth in Maryland. The were manned by a detail during the days the campers were present. The P-12 was the only rig so painted, the others remained Lime Yellow until sold as surplus property.

The DCFD also used 2 ex St.E's rigs, a 1965 IH/Dakota 750/500 and the Spartan/E-one 1250/500 that went to E-24 when E-34 was closed by the DCFD. (E-34 was a great detail, good food, cool guys and no night watch!!!!!!, but the bunkbeds were a killer!!!!!!!!!!) Both these rigs were painted stars and bars, per the TR and Co. brain trust. This looked good on the Squads, but like crap on the other rigs!

Other agencies in DC with fire apparatus included St.E's, Lorton (DC Department of Corrections, which had a B-475 Mack Wagon, and later a Mini-Pumper manned by Correctional Officers in the late 1980's), Metro (for testing standpipes, the Lorton Mack, a 1985 GMC/Grumman, and a 2005 Frieghtliner/E-One), Naval District of Washington (3 Stations), and Walter Reed AMC, 2 staions, 1 in DC. St. E's and DOC no longer have rigs. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3_12_21.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' 3_12_21

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smketrfdny · 08-12-2006, 08:43 AM

[quote name='dcfiremanjeff' post='22041' date='Aug 12 2006, 08:04 ']The ex-USAF P-12 now owned by a DCFD LT was aquired by the DCFD as Government surplus equipment along with 2 US Navy Walthers/? 1000 gpm Wagons, one of which was used for a Driver's Training rig at the Training Academy, and the other two went for Fire Protection at Camp Brown, a DC summer camp for urban youth in Maryland. The were manned by a detail during the days the campers were present. The P-12 was the only rig so painted, the others remained Lime Yellow until sold as surplus property.

The DCFD also used 2 ex St.E's rigs, a 1965 IH/Dakota 750/500 and the Spartan/E-one 1250/500 that went to E-24 when E-34 was closed by the DCFD. (E-34 was a great detail, good food, cool guys and no night watch!!!!!!, but the bunkbeds were a killer!!!!!!!!!!) Both these rigs were painted stars and bars, per the TR and Co. brain trust. This looked good on the Squads, but like crap on the other rigs!

Other agencies in DC with fire apparatus included St.E's, Lorton (DC Department of Corrections, which had a B-475 Mack Wagon, and later a Mini-Pumper manned by Correctional Officers in the late 1980's), Metro (for testing standpipes, the Lorton Mack, a 1985 GMC/Grumman, and a 2005 Frieghtliner/E-One), Naval District of Washington (3 Stations), and Walter Reed AMC, 2 staions, 1 in DC. St. E's and DOC no longer have rigs. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3_12_21.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' 3_12_21

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Saw on the SPAAMFAA website the Lorton/Metro B is for sale.

Does this Tom guy with all the surplus DC crap possibly have that Sutphen/Pirsch Tiller that was Ladder 11?

rescueff · 08-12-2006, 01:17 PM

Cota1992, I would suggest the following link to ebay where you can purchase rosters for several countys around the DC area and DC. I have purchased a few rosters from them and they have a great set of rosters. Please note i am in no way affilated eith this, just making a suggestion for you.

[url="http://stores.ebay.com/Bayside-Boyz_RUSTYS-ROSTERS_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ20QQftidZ2QQtZkm"]http://stores.ebay.com/Bayside-Boyz_RUSTYS...0QQftidZ2QQtZkm[/url]

08-12-2006, 09:50 PM

I saw that shop truck responding to the Pentagon on 09/11. I thought man they can't have something that old in services but they did

hp1530 · 08-13-2006, 12:11 AM

Im curious as to how the DCFD got their Amerteks. IIRC i thought only the armed services bought them.

08-13-2006, 02:08 PM

DCFD Foam Wagons: Due to Executive Branch Protection requirements, since Helecopters came into vogue in the 1950's, the DCFD has been providing stand by Fire Protection at various locations for this purpose. Vehicles used for this purpose over the past 45 (roughly) years have been a combination of U.S. Navy, Government Surplus and Direct Purchase vehicles. Presently two types are used, Twin Agent Units and Foam Wagons, to use DCFD terms. The P-19 (Amertek) is the property of the US Navy, not the DCFD, hence the Lime Yellow color. The present E\-One Foam Wagon is a rebuild of the DCFD purchased Amertek as an add on to the US Navy contract to replace a 1969 Ford F/ National Foam 750/500/100 Foam Wagon.

Twin Agent Units have been supplied since the mid 1960's with a total of 8 having served over the years, 1 new from the Navy, 3 surplus military rigs and 3 purchased by the DCFD. Presently these details are handled by Personnel assigned to Stations near the White House that have undergone FAA ARFF certification programs. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3_12_21.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' 3_12_21

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08-13-2006, 02:20 PM

It is not hard for a department to pick up an ex-military fire truck from the DRMO system. even though they may have some age to them, they mostly have low miles/hours and have been very well taken care of, oil/fluid changes at bi annual intervals, depot level complete overhauls. etc... The biggest problems with x-military firetrucks is finding replacment parts for 25-30 year old chassis, pump, ff systems, and powertrains. Also some x-mil rigs were not speced/built for long distances as most military bases are only a few square miles.