07-05-2010, 06:04 PM (This post was last modified: 07-05-2010, 06:11 PM by EngineForLife.)
The Arlington Rigs are 100% compliant. Thats for sure. Arlington just signed the first of 7 one year extentions to thier contract. All COG jursdictions are able to ride the contract as well.
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That is awesome news.... Maybe some jurisdictions to the south (Faifax, Prince William and Stafford) will take another long hard look at Arlington's Rigs and see the simplicity in them. We have a small Dash were I work and the very next next rig ordered was a mammoth Velocity..... all the while we were jamming houses in every nook and crannie of our running areas and making the streets so tight a VW bug would have problems getting through. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm..... <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shrug.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
Not such a bad middle ground in my opinion... <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
[quote name='Good2Go' date='08 July 2010 - 02:13 AM' timestamp='1278568422' post='391666']
Not such a bad middle ground in my opinion... <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
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Best in the fleet! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/stirpot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
All joking(sorta) aside, Arlington's new rigs are well thought out, but more importantly it fits that county's needs. I really like riding on E422 becouse the cab was built to ride 4 in the back comfortably (Becouse we do ride heavy regularly on all our rigs),the hose bed is not too high up and not too low, and it has very good get up and go to it.
A great Engine(truck, rescue,ect) is not a great rig unless its speced right for that area's needs. I think Arlington has hit the nail on the head.
[quote name='SrFireOfficial' date='04 July 2010 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1278281320' post='390740']
If we want a realistic TDA, we would have to go with the DCFD spec and give up some of our capabilities.
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SO, what you're saying is your capabilities are unrealistic or your apparatus? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
[quote name='ResQguy' date='21 July 2010 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1279763824' post='393980']
SO, what you're saying is your capabilities are unrealistic or your apparatus? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
Be on the lookout later this year for a new Medic 438. Centreville is going to final with the contract sometime within the next 2 weeks or so. Current Medic 438 will probably become Ambulance 417(E), and I have no idea if we plan on keeping the current Ambulance as a reserve or not.
Will keep you Up To Date as things unfold. Been told to look for it to come into the county around November/December, and then it will be about another month or so for them to install the radios and CAD, etc.
[quote name='ResQguy' date='21 July 2010 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1279763824' post='393980']
SO, what you're saying is your capabilities are unrealistic or your apparatus? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hysterical.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
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No, I am politely saying there are things that we like on our ladder trucks (pre-piped ladder pipes), massive tip loads for stokes basket lifting/lowering that, in my mind and experience, would create a behemoth TDA. I say, and again it's merely my opinion and observation, that, a well-designed rear-mount aerial ladder with a 45-dgree cramp angle on the front axle will be able to get the job done as well if not better than today's modern TDAs spec'd to do the same. I stated earlier in this thread that what is gained in manueverability in 21st century TDAs is lost in their massive size.
SrFireOfficial, on 04 July 2010 - 06:28 PM, said:
As for ladder trucks that bend in the middle, my two cents.
I was hired in 1984 and the majority of ladder trucks in the FRD fleet were tractor-drawn Seagrave, spanning an age range from 1960-something to early 1980 something. I challenge you to park the oldest tiller FXCO bought next to the last tiller we bought and note the changes in size. Now, pull up one of the 21st century brand new tillers and make the size comparison. I'm sure the newest will dwarf the older ones and I will confidently say that anything that is gained in maneuverability with having the tillerman (so much for my PC'ness today) will be lost in the overall size of the vehicle. And for us to enjoy the features we are fond of on our rear-mount aerials (huge tip load, pre-piped waterways) will force us into the humongous category of tractor drawn aerials. The cramp angle for the steering on the RMs improves their overall maneuverability to a level where they will give a TDA a fair amount of competition and allows the officer and firefighter to be ready to go to work as soon as the maxibrake is applied.
If we want a realistic TDA, we would have to go with the DCFD spec and give up some of our capabilities.
[quote name='SrFireOfficial' date='24 July 2010 - 10:05 AM' timestamp='1279982705' post='394341']
No, I am politely saying there are things that we like on our ladder trucks (pre-piped ladder pipes), massive tip loads for stokes basket lifting/lowering that, in my mind and experience, would create a behemoth TDA. I say, and again it's merely my opinion and observation, that, a well-designed rear-mount aerial ladder with a 45-dgree cramp angle on the front axle will be able to get the job done as well if not better than today's modern TDAs spec'd to do the same. I stated earlier in this thread that what is gained in manueverability in 21st century TDAs is lost in their massive size.
SrFireOfficial, on 04 July 2010 - 06:28 PM, said:
As for ladder trucks that bend in the middle, my two cents.
I was hired in 1984 and the majority of ladder trucks in the FRD fleet were tractor-drawn Seagrave, spanning an age range from 1960-something to early 1980 something. I challenge you to park the oldest tiller FXCO bought next to the last tiller we bought and note the changes in size. Now, pull up one of the 21st century brand new tillers and make the size comparison. I'm sure the newest will dwarf the older ones and I will confidently say that anything that is gained in maneuverability with having the tillerman (so much for my PC'ness today) will be lost in the overall size of the vehicle. And for us to enjoy the features we are fond of on our rear-mount aerials (huge tip load, pre-piped waterways) will force us into the humongous category of tractor drawn aerials. The cramp angle for the steering on the RMs improves their overall maneuverability to a level where they will give a TDA a fair amount of competition and allows the officer and firefighter to be ready to go to work as soon as the maxibrake is applied.
If we want a realistic TDA, we would have to go with the DCFD spec and give up some of our capabilities.
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You make many very valid points. Personally I think it is more a tradition thing going on in your neighboring autoaid department. I will be the first to say I really like Truck 208 despite I am not a TDA fan. Do they need a TDA at 208? No. When you look at the Alexandria Truck Company placements a TDA is best suited for 204's first due but the TDA is not assigned to 204 so that leads me to believe it is more tradition than anything. I know back when they first talked of replacing 208 with a rearmount it didn't sit well with some that there wouldn't a TDA left in NOVA (well the traditional urban portion of NOVA).
Dave McClung
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07-25-2010, 11:55 AM (This post was last modified: 07-25-2010, 12:01 PM by resqguy.)
[quote name='SrFireOfficial']
If we want a realistic TDA, we would have to go with the DCFD spec and give up some of our capabilities.
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Now I got ya. We like them just fine. Of course we have pre-piped waterways, but not for the entire length. And the 250# tip obviously wont do rescues. The heavy crane can handle that job.
[quote name='ResQguy' date='25 July 2010 - 12:15 PM' timestamp='1280073306' post='394466']
Now I got ya. We like them just fine. Of course we have pre-piped waterways, but not for the entire length. And the 250# tip obviously wont do rescues. The heavy crane can handle that job.
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I love watching DCFD Truck 9 respond and return to their quarters on U Street...and they park it right the first time every time!
PS: T9 needs the DCFD decal on the front doors ASAP to match the wagon!
[quote name='SrFireOfficial' date='26 July 2010 - 11:02 AM' timestamp='1280155326' post='394595']
I love watching DCFD Truck 9 respond and return to their quarters on U Street...and they park it right the first time every time!
PS: T9 needs the DCFD decal on the front doors ASAP to match the wagon!
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T9's house fund needs to come up with the $$$ first. If you want the new decals on an old rig, ya gotta pay. And they park it right the first time because the neighborhood would go nuts if they blocked the road for longer than a few seconds.
Has anyone heard if there was much damage to Truck 441?
Last I heard all the firefighters were going to be ok.
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T441 is out of service and being evaluated by the Apparatus Section to determine how much damage was done. Having T441 and T410 out for an extended period of time is going to seriously drain the reserve ladder pool in Fairfax County. The earliest the regular T410 is expected back is October.
Honestly, I don't know since we have two shops housing reserve trucks. I want to say two towers in reserve and about 4 105' Pierce RMs. I think the E-Ones are totally gone from the fleet.
On statter 911 there looks to be a E\-One rearmount in the background of the video footage. I know of the 3 Pierce RM's but cant figure out where the 4th one came from.
Saw Truck 41 a few days ago and they are currently running an E\-One straight stick that looks to be from the mid-late 90's. This same rig was running as Truck 3 last week. I haven't seen one of these rigs on the street in a while. It looked to be ex-Truck 24 (see attachment) from before they got in the Tower business. Always liked this rig. Credit to original photographer.
[quote name='Good2Go' date='14 August 2010 - 06:58 PM' timestamp='1281829098' post='397354']
Saw Truck 41 a few days ago and they are currently running an E\-One straight stick that looks to be from the mid-late 90's. This same rig was running as Truck 3 last week. I haven't seen one of these rigs on the street in a while. It looked to be ex-Truck 24 (see attachment) from before they got in the Tower business. Always liked this rig. Credit to original photographer.
Nate
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Yes Nate, that went into service originally as Truck 424 and has been in the reserve pool.
I thought the reserve pool was 3 Dash Rearmounts, 1 E\-One Protector 110' Rearmount a 1995 E\-One which should have county number 7104 and an ex E\-One tower I think a 2000 model that was first at Tower 401.
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Arden Hills, Minnesota but....
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