FDNY New pumpers.........

[1958 F.W.D.]

NYC DOP has issued a RFP for approx 90+ pumpers for FDNY. 3 year contract for approx 50 the first year, 35 the second year and 5 the third year. Bidders in ascending order of cost were:



-KME

-Ferrara

-Seagrave.



Bid has not been awarded as of this time. Once again the 5 year contract is a sticking point.

[hp1530]

Does anyone have a link to the RFP?



KME bidding for FDNY? Now that's something new.

[Dickey]

No Pierce?

[Guest]

No Pierce, FDNY will not accept aluminum cabs. No exceptions to the FDNY specs. The 5 year warranty terms are hard to deal with. As one of my friends who was at FDNY Fleet Services summed it up "we break it, you fix it."

[Dickey]

So they prefer steel vs. aluminum bodies then...they are stronger I think. The way FDNY wears out an engine I can understand that.

[Guest]

Stainless steel.

[jim kay]

Hopefully they go back with Seagrave or maybe KME might be ok, but get away from Ferrara....

[fyrfoto]

I think KME would be a scary proposition. I do not understand why any manufacturer would want to deal with FDNY, it is like playing russian roulette with the warranty requirements. Every manufacturer involved for any length of time seems to start circling the drain.

[Roto-Ray]

[quote name='Dickey' timestamp='1330411443' post='476137']

So they prefer steel vs. aluminum bodies then...they are stronger I think.

[/quote]



Bodies AND cabs, which is a catch for a lot of manufacturers. Interestingly, though, the Seagrave cabs are using cold-rolled stainless steel cabs, which is a far lighter SS material than the 304L that's being used for body construction by most manufacturers.

[Guest]

Gee, just imagine if NO company would do the 5-yr. warranty!! <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jawdrop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Then what could happen? <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shrug.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Guess they would be building their own apparatus. <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[ff168577]

I know KME has had there issue's before, but I would much rather see KME then Ferrara in that city. I think a severe service would work well.

[hp1530]

[quote name='fyrfoto' timestamp='1330448883' post='476149']

I think KME would be a scary proposition. I do not understand why any manufacturer would want to deal with FDNY, it is like playing russian roulette with the warranty requirements. Every manufacturer involved for any length of time seems to start circling the drain.

[/quote]



I have noticed KME going after and getting contracts one after another lately especially with LAFD, LA County and Boston to name a few.

[Dickey]

I do not have any experience with KME...why the preference to something else? What are their issues?

[ff168577]

[quote name='Dickey' timestamp='1330490834' post='476194']

I do not have any experience with KME...why the preference to something else? What are their issues?

[/quote]



I personally like Seagrave, but if I had to choose between KME and Ferrara, I think KME is a better choice. Philly has used them for years, and they have held up. Boston just got a few, LA has used them for years, and has had no problem. I think KME has come along way over the years, and I think the quality of apparatus produced by them is amazing.

[cml0774]

Seagrave bid $750,000Ferrara in the $600's KME $550,000

[ACPD227]

Looks like they wont be seagraves for sure.

[Guest]

You pay for what ya get.........

[johndanger]

Warranty or not, 750k for a pumper is <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[KDWMAEMT]

My guess is that Seagrave has learned thru years of contracts with FDNY, that the warranty requirements cost BIG MONEY. And because of that, the ballpark price per unit reflects what the actual cost is to them for those 5 years. Im interested in why such cost separation between the 3 if my guess is wrong.

[Guest]

I would not count Seagrave out at his point. FDNY goes thru these RFPs with a fine tooth comb. As mentioned before, there are no exceptions allowed. These engines will be expected to last for ten years on some of the roughest roads in the nation. They also have to fit into firehouses, some of which were designed for horse drawn steamers, while making thousands of runs a year.. I have seen the specs for FDNY engines in the past. they run approx 240 pages at least. Everything is spelled out...thickness of compartment sheet metal, wiring, labeling of wiring, frame rail thickness, certain components to be used. It is a performance spec, you must meet what is spelled out, not here is an engine we think will suit your needs. I think the manufacturers still have to bring a demo to the FDNY shops to be examined by FDNY mechanics who give their honest opinion on the piece