Fairfax County VA

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Anybody else notice that there is no American Flag on the Front grill of Engine 27? Great pics by the way.

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[quote name='Engine438' date='28 February 2010 - 07:58 PM' timestamp='1267403922' post='367101']

Anybody else notice that there is no American Flag on the Front grill of Engine 27? Great pics by the way.

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Part of cost savings on the new rigs. I think inverters got cut out as well among other things I can't remember. Too bad the 111 mirrors did not get cut. Lots of folks in the field are dealing with them, but hoping they don't hang around much longer <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Wait and see. Oh yeah, folks in the field are willing to pay for thier own Roto-Ray as well, like our DC brothers, if that is what it takes to get em back.

[memphise34a]

Former Fairfax County pumper. Now mine. More pics and info in members rig's section.

[drfeelgood]

[quote name='Steve Loftin' date='27 February 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1267301405' post='366648']

Press releases from the Ferrara website:



AERIALS



Holden, LA – Ferrara Fire Apparatus, Inc., America’s premier custom fire apparatus manufacturer, has been awarded a three year contract by the City of New York to manufacture FDNY’s new 100’ rear mount aerials. With the initial purchase orders, which stem from a competitive bid this past summer, Ferrara will provide ten aerial apparatus.



“This is obviously a significant contract for our company,” said Ferrara President and CEO Chris Ferrara, “not only because it’s New York City, but because it demonstrates the commitment to our core philosophy of building heavy duty, highly customized fire apparatus. New York will certainly be a tough proving ground, but our engineers and craftsmen are always up to the challenge. We have had a great business relationship with FDNY for years and our vehicles have served them well.”



Ferrara Fire Apparatus has supplied many specialty apparatus to FDNY over the past eight years, beginning with the well known Spirit of Louisiana in 2001. Their other fire trucks in service to FDNY include high pressure pumpers, satellite pumpers, collapse rescues, decontamination trucks, medium duty rescues and the well known Haz Mat 1.



The vehicles are designed around the Ferrara LP-102, a low-profile rear mount aerial ladder. The new aerial trucks will be built on Ferrara custom chassis, featuring a newly designed stainless steel split tilt cab, a four section rear mount aerial ladder and a stainless steel body. Having a narrow width, tight turning radius and low overall height, the trucks will be built to accommodate the congested streets of New York and easily fit in the FDNY’s many historic fire stations.



RESCUES



Holden, LA – Ferrara Fire Apparatus, Inc., America’s premier custom fire apparatus manufacturer, has been awarded another large contract by the City of New York. Under the terms of the newest agreement, Ferrara will supply FDNY five heavy rescue trucks. The rescues will be built on Ferrara’s heavy duty Igniter chassis with a stainless steel tilt cab. In December, the announcement was made of Ferrara’s order for ten new FDNY 100’ rear mount aerial ladders.



Ferrara has supplied various types of vehicles to FDNY over the past eight plus years, beginning with the well known Spirit of Louisiana in 2001. Their other fire trucks in service to FDNY include high pressure pumpers, satellite pumpers, collapse rescues, decontamination trucks, medium duty rescues and the well known Haz Mat 1.



Chris Ferrara, President and CEO of Ferrara Fire Apparatus, commented on the latest in a string of orders his company has received from large metropolitan departments, “The new FDNY heavy rescues fit right in with our heavy duty, customized construction philosophy. While these rigs are built to strict FDNY standards, at their core they are heavy duty, 12 gauge stainless steel cabs and bodies.



“When our company builds vehicles like these, it can benefit many of our customers. Features unique to FDNY trucks are seen by other fire departments when they visit our Louisiana factory. As a result, many of those specialty items find their way to other trucks all across the country.”

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Seagrave still has the FDNY contract. The shame of it is that Seagrave will lose that two then go out of business just like every builder has done in the past with FDNY. Hell the wannenties for both FDNY and DC kill dealers and the MFG. we shall see.

[stokess]

A year ago it was $1,005 for the flag on the grill - I'm all for flags on our rigs but we looked at that and said no thanks.





[quote name='splinterhead' date='28 February 2010 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1267405521' post='367113']

Part of cost savings on the new rigs. I think inverters got cut out as well among other things I can't remember. Too bad the 111 mirrors did not get cut. Lots of folks in the field are dealing with them, but hoping they don't hang around much longer <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Wait and see. Oh yeah, folks in the field are willing to pay for thier own Roto-Ray as well, like our DC brothers, if that is what it takes to get em back.

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[quote name='Chief413' date='28 February 2010 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1267412210' post='367137']

A year ago it was $1,005 for the flag on the grill - I'm all for flags on our rigs but we looked at that and said no thanks.

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Could probably find an artistic firefighter out of the 1,300 or so firefighters in fairfax to do it for a quarter that price or less.....naaaaa that makes too much sense.

[GA_Dave]

A year ago it was $1,005 for the flag on the grill

That price includes the cost of the grille itself. The way Pierce has their pricelist configured, you either get the plain grille or the one with the flag on it. Find out the price of the plain grille and then you'll know how much extra the flag will cost.



And, yeah, almost anyone could paint one, but the paint needs to be the correct type or it will just peel off in the wind.

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[quote name='memphise34a' date='28 February 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1267409722' post='367130']

Former Fairfax County pumper. Now mine. More pics and info in members rig's section.





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Robert, You have a great looking rig! I have been keeping track of it in the members section and you have done a good job. I tried to follow the thread of numbers ref this beening a FXCO engine and I am not sure if that was decided. I say it was not and the only reason I say that is there is not a pan for the front soft sleeve. All Fairfax engines of that era that I recall have that feature. I know the unit was rehabed and maybe that was changed. I don't know why you would though. Just my thoughts.



Joe

[memphise34a]

[quote name='Joe719' date='01 March 2010 - 08:04 AM' timestamp='1267451069' post='367180']

Robert, You have a great looking rig! I have been keeping track of it in the members section and you have done a good job. I tried to follow the thread of numbers ref this beening a FXCO engine and I am not sure if that was decided. I say it was not and the only reason I say that is there is not a pan for the front soft sleeve. All Fairfax engines of that era that I recall have that feature. I know the unit was rehabed and maybe that was changed. I don't know why you would though. Just my thoughts.



Joe

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Thanks Joe! I certainly wasn't around then to verify, so I am just going by what I was told. According to another Fairfax guy this was one of 4 that were order around the same time. There is supposedly a picture of one of the sister engines in this thread - one with a Rotor Ray - but I have not had the time to look through the near 50 pages here.



As far as the tray in the front goes, I agree - don't know why you would eliminate it in a refurb. It is in fact, an option that is on my list of things to retrofit when I build my discretionary funds back up!!

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[quote name='memphise34a' date='01 March 2010 - 10:02 AM' timestamp='1267454557' post='367186']

Thanks Joe! I certainly wasn't around then to verify, so I am just going by what I was told. According to another Fairfax guy this was one of 4 that were order around the same time. There is supposedly a picture of one of the sister engines in this thread - one with a Rotor Ray - but I have not had the time to look through the near 50 pages here.



As far as the tray in the front goes, I agree - don't know why you would eliminate it in a refurb. It is in fact, an option that is on my list of things to retrofit when I build my discretionary funds back up!!

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Don't mean to chime in and pardon me if I am. There is book out that is a pictural history of Fairfax rigs. They show the rigs in question. It may help also didnt the Fairfax rig 's have 4 warning lights and turn signals below the typical Seagrave warning lights? I see this grave has two warning and the turn signals all as one. Just offering my two cents. That is one sweet ride tho WoW!

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[quote name='memphise34a' date='28 February 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1267409722' post='367130']

Former Fairfax County pumper. Now mine. More pics and info in members rig's section.





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Is this the former Route 1 Rocket (Engine 24)? Or former Engine 31?



Spectacular looking rig man! OUTSTANDING!

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[quote name='splinterhead' date='28 February 2010 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1267405521' post='367113']

Part of cost savings on the new rigs. I think inverters got cut out as well among other things I can't remember. Too bad the 111 mirrors did not get cut. Lots of folks in the field are dealing with them, but hoping they don't hang around much longer <img src='http://www.firepics.net/groupboards/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Wait and see. Oh yeah, folks in the field are willing to pay for thier own Roto-Ray as well, like our DC brothers, if that is what it takes to get em back.

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quick question bout the mirrors....what dont the fellas like about them? is it the looks? do they vibrate? is the blindspot too big? hard to back up with? thanks in advance

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[quote name='ffdrive' date='01 March 2010 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1267464084' post='367195']

quick question bout the mirrors....what dont the fellas like about them? is it the looks? do they vibrate? is the blindspot too big? hard to back up with? thanks in advance

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yes, yes, yes, and yes. You covered em all. They may be the latest, but are by far not the greatest.

[Truckman]

[quote name='memphise34a' date='28 February 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1267409722' post='367130']

Former Fairfax County pumper. Now mine. More pics and info in members rig's section.





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It looks good Robert. Back her in the house and load her up and run as a two piece company!! Beas would like it!! yeah Right!



The extra lights were added after she left FXCO and went to PA. The Mars 888 light probably replaced the Roto-Ray some where along its journey.



The suction pan was removed at sometime. I think Robert said this ride was being used a a movie prop on the west coast.

[stokess]

Interesting, because it was presented to us by the sales rep as $1,005 on top of the grille - i.e. we were getting the silver grille in the price of the truck, flag paint another grand more. Oh well, but would have been nice to know that at the time to really eval the cost.







[quote name='GA_Dave' date='01 March 2010 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1267448454' post='367178']

That price includes the cost of the grille itself. The way Pierce has their pricelist configured, you either get the plain grille or the one with the flag on it. Find out the price of the plain grille and then you'll know how much extra the flag will cost.



And, yeah, almost anyone could paint one, but the paint needs to be the correct type or it will just peel off in the wind.

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[SrFireOfficial]

The Route 1 Rocket, originally Engine 24 (Woodlawn) was a Seagrave PB23068 s/n R4766 built in 1971. I believe the Remington VFD had it for a while before it came home to Fairfax County. It is currently stored at the South Apparatus Shop and used for parades and other community events. Obviously, changes could have been made but it had the Federal Q siren flush mounted in the front sheet metal rather than the pedestal mount on the bumper and no Mars or Roto-Ray lights.



Engine 31 operated a late 70s Seagrave (nicknamed Firefox)which I believe was a PB cab also but was readily distinguishable by the twin four-lamp beacon rays located in the front corners of the cab. Again, this configuration could have easily been changed by any subequent owner.



If it wasn't posted, the job number for E427 is 22575-03.



If I had really been on my game today, I could have taken a pic of the 1971 Seagrave at South Apparatus and the brand new E427 at North Apparatus, the first and the latest pumpers purchased by Fairfax County....what a difference four decades makes. One doesn't think of these things when changing from reserve to front-line pumper.

[Fire28]

Why'd you have to go to both shops to switch out?

[Guest]

[quote name='SrFireOfficial' date='02 March 2010 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1267578121' post='367554']

The Route 1 Rocket, originally Engine 24 (Woodlawn) was a Seagrave PB23068 s/n R4766 built in 1971. I believe the Remington VFD had it for a while before it came home to Fairfax County. It is currently stored at the South Apparatus Shop and used for parades and other community events. Obviously, changes could have been made but it had the Federal Q siren flush mounted in the front sheet metal rather than the pedestal mount on the bumper and no Mars or Roto-Ray lights.



Engine 31 operated a late 70s Seagrave (nicknamed Firefox)which I believe was a PB cab also but was readily distinguishable by the twin four-lamp beacon rays located in the front corners of the cab. Again, this configuration could have easily been changed by any subequent owner.



If it wasn't posted, the job number for E427 is 22575-03.



If I had really been on my game today, I could have taken a pic of the 1971 Seagrave at South Apparatus and the brand new E427 at North Apparatus, the first and the latest pumpers purchased by Fairfax County....what a difference four decades makes. One doesn't think of these things when changing from reserve to front-line pumper.

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31's Seagrave (1977) was ordered by the Herndon VFD which turned over their assets to the County before delivery and assigned to the brand new Fox Mill station this was the last P Series delivered to Fairfax.



E-24 was returned to Fairfax from Sperryville for one of the '83 Duplex / E-Ones.



Paul

[mnsand]

Here is a photo I took of Wagon 24 from Woodlawn many years ago. Known as the Rt.1 Rocket, it was a 1971 Seagrave 1000/500. I know after leaving FS 24 it went to Station 16.



What makes this piece special is that it was the first "county" purchased engine.



As Paul stated, it ultimately went to Sperryville, Virginia. When Fairfax County desired to have their first county purchased engine back into the department, a rehabed 1983 Duplex/E-One was given to Sperryville in 2000. I believe both departments were happy - Sperryville had a "newer" engine and Fairfax had a piece of their history back.





Mike Sanders

Winchester, VA

[mnsand]

And here is the excellent work that was done by the county shops in restoring the Rt. 1 Rocket - 1971 Seagrave. It was to be used for parades, funerals, etc.



Mike Sanders

Winchester, VA